Human rights

[Frederich Barbarossa]

Does human rights go too far sometimes... Should they really be a necessity in our society?

I mean an example is the following...

When usually killing terrorists, they US is usually faced with countless human rights protestors a lot of the times.
In Peru in the 1990´s a band of communist guerrillas, took hostage an embassy party, and took hostage around 30 embassadors. After being killed by Police, a huge protest took place where, people said, `Why not capture them, instead of kill them´?


I believe human rights is a leftist movement, freedom of speech is necessary, but human rights is just ridiculous... Have your say, discuss...

[iudas]

[Enemy of the State]

[cupoftea]

[Frederich Barbarossa]

why facepalm?

[Zenith Darksea]

I take it from your signature that you're American. You should understand then that the idea of human rights is heavily enshrined in your constitution!

[ELITEOFKINGWARMAN8]

Does human rights go too far sometimes... Should they really be a necessity in our society?

I mean an example is the following...

When usually killing terrorists, they US is usually faced with countless human rights protestors a lot of the times.
In Peru in the 1990´s a band of communist guerrillas, took hostage an embassy party, and took hostage around 30 embassadors. After being killed by Police, a huge protest took place where, people said, `Why not capture them, instead of kill them´?


I believe human rights is a leftist movement, freedom of speech is necessary, but human rights is just ridiculous... Have your say, discuss...

Agreed. We have way to many rights today. How many rights do we need to have? I mean Jesus Christ.... I don't think our Founding Fathers meant for us to have this many rights....

[Taiji]

I believe human rights is a leftist movement, freedom of speech is necessary, but human rights is just ridiculous... Have your say, discuss...

This statement earns a facepalm, no doubt. What is 'freedom of speech' if it is not a human right?

edit:

Can you add 'facepalm' as an option on your poll?

[Manco]

[Frederich Barbarossa]

Dont be ridiculous you know what I mean. Freedom of Speech is basic, I meant human rights as in protest and stuff...

[My Favorite Martian]

-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

Freedom of Speech is a political right - if I am not mistaken.

[Buddhababe]

Dont be ridiculous you know what I mean. Freedom of Speech is basic, I meant human rights as in protest and stuff...

Well, do you beleive in the US Constitution? Do you realize the protest and stuff is in the 1st amedment in the US Bill of Rights? Most people remember the freedom of speech and the establishement of religion and freedom of religious practice.

It states: "or the right of the people peacably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The Bill of Rights was the beginings of what we consider "Human Rights" today.

[Maca]

Human rights is a noble thing, but taken too far as it has been in the past, it becomes a hinderance to the justice systems and to military operations. I highlight the case that the OP presented about the US and protestors.

I agree with human rights in the same way I agree with Political Correctness, good as long as it doesn't override common sense.

[Chlodwig I.]

Even If I would like to quote the facepalm i try to give an answer

Whats the use of freedom of speech, if you don't have the right to live, untouchable dignity, not to be tortured, the right to see a legal judge etc.?
so freedom of speech is not basic and it is less important then any human right
Basic is the right to live (and not to be tortured/harmed)

I mean without these rights... in your hostage case, why not throw some grenade into the room/building and kill the terrorist and the hostages....why risk the life of police-officers?

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Well human rights as in "oh lets put those terrorists in nice padded cells with internet access and 3 square meals a day" is definitely a leftist idea.

But otherwise, I do think humans are endowed with inalienable rights given them by God. So if anything, human rights are a right-wing invention

[Barry Goldwater]

[Poach]

While I believe the basic idea of human rights is a noble one and shouldn't be abandoned, I do believe in modern times people are interpreting them to equate a fairly high standard of life. For example in the UK a prison was taken to court (and all the prisoners given money) because at night once they were confined to cells if they needed the toilet there was a bucket in their cell and in the morning they were responsible for cleaning it out. This was classed as a violation of human rights which is just stupid.

The document describing the human rights should be rewritten to be far more clear on what is and what isn't fair game, as the assumed "bare minimum" that these rights provide has been steadily rising.

[Zenith Darksea]

I'm not entirely sure what Frederich Barbarossa is talking about when he connects human rights and protesting. Do you mean that the protestors should not be allowed to protest? Or that they should not be allowed to protest about the human rights of terrorists? I agree that there are certain instances in which people may forfeit some of their rights by their crimes, but as a general principle I think it is only humane to say that, as a default, people have the right to life, health, good education, equality before the law, freedom of speech, political participation etc. etc. I don't think that any of these are particularly radical in this day and age.

[cfmonkey45]

Lol @ all of the facepalms in this thread.

Firstly, it's not liberal if it's the bare-minimum required by the Geneva Convention (otherwise, if you want, we could withdraw it, and if Russia or China (lol) decide to invade the US, they can carpet bomb, incinerate, and poison gas your ass first).


Secondly, within American politics, the Republican/Right-Wing elements of the US political spectrum (which is what I'm assuming the OP is) is actually based on Individual and Economic Liberalism, among other things. In the US, relative to economics and individual liberties, the Left is actually less liberal (i.e. they add on governmental regulations to what can be invested, when and where, as well as with individual rights, add in laws like non-smoking, as well as gun-control).

Being liberal in and of itself isn't inherently bad, since the US was founded as a liberal and secular society. Hell, even the Republican party was founded under liberal pretenses. The status it has now is the perojative terminology granted to it by the past 30 years of Conservative and Centrist governments.

[Henrik]

I believe human rights is a leftist movement, freedom of speech is necessary, but human rights is just ridiculous... Have your say, discuss...

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a product of bourgeois-liberal thought of XVIII century. A product American Independence and the French Revolution