An energy force?

**Frederich Barbarossa** · September 07, 2009, 02:49 PM

This is not really a religion I made up, but much rather a theory. I still remain catholic but wish to seek the mysteries of the universe. I have always looked into the movies of star wars, and noticed the force. It is said by the characters as an energy field that floats around us, penetrates us, and determines our thoughts and emotions. I researched through my brain for several weeks, and thought about this. What if a universal energy or, spiritual energy exists around all of us... Not scientology (thats stupid), but much rather, a supernatural force, that acts as a superior being, that determines our every actions, pains, and emotions. Such as, determining the world around us. This supernatural being would be able to determine our concioussness. To me this has combinations of science and spirituality, because the force can work, just as our brains, which store, and execute orders we give them, except the force, somehow determines our utter existence. Please debate over this topic... It is just an idea, not a fact...

**Tiberius Tosi** · September 07, 2009, 02:53 PM

I think this is in the wrong section, this is the VV.

But anyways, what your describing sounds a lot like the Jedi religion.

**Frederich Barbarossa** · September 07, 2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tiberius Tosi

I think this is in the wrong section, this is the VV.

But anyways, what your describing sounds a lot like the Jedi religion.

yes but theres a possibility... In it... its not exactly jedi, but its more like a scientific theory since an energy force can indeed control things, such as he brain....

**Tigrul** · September 07, 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Frederich Barbarossa

yes but theres a possibility... In it... its not exactly jedi, but its more like a scientific theory since an energy force can indeed control things, such as he brain....

A scientific theory:
1. Is built on empirical evidence. Your presentation lacks this entirely.
2. Uses models and makes predictions which can be invalidated if contrary evidence emerges
3. Is submitted to peer review

If you want to share your views, that's fine, but please, don't insult science. What you describe is nothing like a scientific theory. The mere fact that you include "supernatural" in your post makes it unscientific. Anything in the domain of science is natural. If we could ever prove, for instance, that god existed, then god would be part of the natural world.

Anyway... debate?! Present some evidence for your claims, and we'll debate. Until then... sweet dreams. I only ask of you not to insult science in your pursuit of fantasy.

**~~Arch-hereticK~~** · September 07, 2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tigrul

A scientific theory:
1. Is built on empirical evidence. Your presentation lacks this entirely.
2. Uses models and makes predictions which can be invalidated if contrary evidence emerges
3. Is submitted to peer review

If you want to share your views, that's fine, but please, don't insult science. What you describe is nothing like a scientific theory. The mere fact that you include "supernatural" in your post makes it unscientific. Anything in the domain of science is natural. If we could ever prove, for instance, that god existed, then god would be part of the natural world.

Anyway... debate?! Present some evidence for your claims, and we'll debate. Until then... sweet dreams. I only ask of you not to insult science in your pursuit of fantasy.

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**Pontifex Maximus** · September 07, 2009, 03:47 PM

Moved to EMM

**Frederich Barbarossa** · September 07, 2009, 05:37 PM

ok sorry sorry :L

**CtrlAltDe1337** · September 07, 2009, 05:50 PM

Its a very interesting idea, but totally unsubstantiated and practically 100% unlikely/impossible.

**Taiji** · September 07, 2009, 06:48 PM

the theory has no implications perhaps... there is no way of knowing one way or the other. Even if it's true it's still irrelevant, nothing changes as a result of realising this idea.

Or can we learn to use 'the force'?

**MaximiIian** · September 08, 2009, 02:27 AM

1. This isn't exactly a theory in the technical sense. More of a philosophical proposal.

2. It sounds roughly like the panentheist notion that deity emanates throughout the universe.

3. It also sounds similar to the idea of the Holy Spirit in your religion, Roman Catholicism.

**Angrychris** · September 08, 2009, 02:44 AM

philisophical debates are the ones that never end, so it is good for a message board.

**Miracles** · September 08, 2009, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Frederich Barbarossa

This is not really a religion I made up, but much rather a theory. I still remain catholic but wish to seek the mysteries of the universe. I have always looked into the movies of star wars, and noticed the force. It is said by the characters as an energy field that floats around us, penetrates us, and determines our thoughts and emotions. I researched through my brain for several weeks, and thought about this. What if a universal energy or, spiritual energy exists around all of us... Not scientology (thats stupid), but much rather, a supernatural force, that acts as a superior being, that determines our every actions, pains, and emotions. Such as, determining the world around us. This supernatural being would be able to determine our concioussness. To me this has combinations of science and spirituality, because the force can work, just as our brains, which store, and execute orders we give them, except the force, somehow determines our utter existence. Please debate over this topic... It is just an idea, not a fact...

It's called GOD. reality is much crazier than movies. Movies are restricted to the imagination of the men who made them. As for reality..it allows for far more adventures. As a Christian I really believe nothing is impossible with God. And if you walk with God nothing is impossible. Some people rely on themselves. . . . but nothing beats God.

I'm also intrigued by the notion that the Jedi in the Star Wars movies are able to know or perceive the feelings of other people. Well to let you know that that is not too far from the truth. That government has had the access to the mind of anybody it wishes. This makes tapping your phone call a minor violation to your privacy.

Several member of the Catholic church order in fact too many I think such as some monks and sisters from certain order are known widely to be able to know strangers personally what their problems, their past, their thoughts and feelings even to the future. Does this surprise you? It should not. We are an open book as far as God is concerned and to a lesser degree to government. Usually this pehnomenon is called words of wisdom and words of knowledge in Christianity.
Just be who you are and knowing you are not ashamed of what you are. Be genuine and do not be afraid!

The kingdom of God knows every one of us personally every second of our life in fact down to the things that we have forgotten. The kingdom of satan can be assumed to know probably the same about us. The government can know whatever they want to know from us too.

I know what I write for certain.

**Phier** · September 08, 2009, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Miracles

I know what I write for certain.

Really? Must be nice.

**Miracles** · September 09, 2009, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Phier

Really? Must be nice.

Well my first experience with a remote viewer was traumatic. I didn't know anything of that kind of sort then. really terrified me.

Actually that wasn't the first when I was going to a high school retreat some of my friends started talking about how the monks there could read mind...that terrified me too. But the real demonstration was in Singapore where I was almost killed. A country run by bastards.

**Frederich Barbarossa** · September 08, 2009, 10:45 AM

OK D:

**Taiji** · September 08, 2009, 11:40 AM

Miracles, man that's some pretty funny stuff, crazy sense of humor you got there... or maybe just crazy...

Just to clarify in case you actually mean what you are saying: - Any government of any country has access to technology which can read your mind, and also they are keeping this fact hidden from the rest of us?

**Miracles** · September 08, 2009, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Taiji

Just to clarify in case you actually mean what you are saying: - Any government of any country has access to technology which can read your mind, and also they are keeping this fact hidden from the rest of us?

Yes. But the information is already available. I believe the method that they use is often called remote viewing. Just that in reality remote viewing is not merely seeing but it goes far from just viewing. Scientists are trying to come up with explanation(see science usually have to find the phenomenon then study it and only then comeout with explanation or theory). Anyway scientist this phenomenon can be explained with quantum physics. It's said to be made possible with a hemi sync brainwave made possible with a specific sound.

Both Soviet and US government have been researching into human psyche since early 1960s. If a person could send you subliminal message then that person is said to be able to control you. An example of subliminal message is by inserting a word like bring a white cake masqueraded into some machinery sound or displaying fear, neurosis in a fast jumbled display of numbers.

You should check the movie Suspect Zero(starring Ben Kingsley) if you want to know more about remote viewing. I even saw a documentary on remote viewing on national tv here. The information is already available to the public just that the public has no way to really know whether it is real and don't give much damn about it.

I don't know if any govet has employed remote viewing. I'm sure the US has them so does the Russian and Singapore.

**Taiji** · September 09, 2009, 06:00 AM

You seem to be talking about imagined experience as if it is experience.

Having been told about it you then 'imagined' the monks reading your mind and you then present that as an 'experience' of remote viewing.

Or do you have some reason to believe that the monks really did read your mind?

**Miracles** · September 10, 2009, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Taiji

You seem to be talking about imagined experience as if it is experience.

Having been told about it you then 'imagined' the monks reading your mind and you then present that as an 'experience' of remote viewing.

Or do you have some reason to believe that the monks really did read your mind?

Yea I got a prophecy concerning myself during my high school retreat, a detailed one a very detailed indeed. It includes what I would think, what I would feel, what I would dream, etc.

The monks and sisters often hold adoration(praise and worship) session where people get healed. The monks and sisters usually say what the holy spirit inspired them to say that often they know certain things about some people in that session. I wouldn't believe them had I not been given a personal prophecy that actually came true. Oracle in the movie matrix is lame compared to the real deal in life.

I know what I'm talking about. Please if you do not know anything don't be too sure telling me or judging I couldn't differentiate what's real and what's not

. That's cruel and cowardice . . . .

**Bovril** · September 09, 2009, 10:26 PM

This idea is, of course, older than writen history. The most important current version of it is the Chinese idea of Chi, though similar ideas exist in many, many other cultures. But I'm afraid the idea for most people posting here is both religiously and scientifically meaningless. The apeal of it to an audience such as this could only be superstitious.