What is " Caucasian " ?
Are Indians caucasian? Are Northern Africans Caucasian? Middle Eastern people? And what do they have in common apart from bone structure? Is this term even valid in this day and age ?
Vicarius Provinciae
What is " Caucasian " ?
What is " Caucasian " ?
Are Indians caucasian? Are Northern Africans Caucasian? Middle Eastern people? And what do they have in common apart from bone structure? Is this term even valid in this day and age ?
Primicerius
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Man why are you so obssesed with this race things? What do you want to hear? That we all are inferior to Irishmen?
Last edited by clandestino; September 06, 2009 at 03:48 PM.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
okay...Originally Posted by clandestino
don't know where that came from.
Well I was studying ethnics and stuff in my geography module so i am very interested in anthropology and where people come from and the definitions. I am fascinated by it while knowing race is only a social construct.
Human Directional
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
I don't think he's obsessed with it, just looking for answers, can't say the same for some other members who REALLY seem to be obsessed with skin color and such. Take a look in some of the threads concerning such a topic.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Not so much skin colour, but race. It is so confusing, and i am interesting in the whole human history.
Human Directional
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
I am just as confused, so many people claim X argument to be true
I am with Europe!
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Apparently we are becuse we don't enjoy Guiness
Caucasian is an outdated antropological term, very wide. In USA its used to refer to white persons. It doesn't exclude finns and hungarians, who are genetically not asiatic.
Not to mention the slavs who are indoeuropean both by genes and by language.
Last edited by Odovacar; September 06, 2009 at 04:08 PM.
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Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
It is a term that should not be used, maybe not even for languages of the region.
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Protector Domesticus
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Caucasian is an obsolete racial definition. Don't bother with it, Eire. Go study genetic archaeology.
Dux Limitis
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
''Caucasian'' refers to the White, Europoid race. The term is derived from the idea that the white race originated in the Caucasus, often on the basis of skull shapes. (Technically, Indo-Europeans did probably originate from around the Caucasus). The term generally refers to all ''white'', Indo-European people, i.e. Germanic, Celtic, Berbers, Slavic and Latin Europeans and Indo-Iranian peoples. Though some include Semitic and Hamitic peoples, or include ''Asiatic'' Europeans, like Finns, Hungarians and Turks or exclude Slavs.
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Protector Domesticus
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Some of them, anyway.
Dux Limitis
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Some of them, anyway.
Caucasian languages are the closest languages to Basque, which is though of as a proto-Indo-European language. The Kurgan Hypothesis (that proto-Indo-Europeans originated in Khazar, the Pontic steppe and the northern Caucasus is also the most widely supported. It would make sense, seeing as sophisticated Indo-Iranian cultures are generally accepted to have been established in India, and Anatolian ones in Turkey, long before evidence of Indo-European languages or cultures were found in most of Europe.
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
1) The majority of languages related to the listed languages cropped up and stayed primarily in europe.Caucasian languages are the closest languages to Basque, which is though of as a proto-Indo-European language. The Kurgan Hypothesis (that proto-Indo-Europeans originated in Khazar, the Pontic steppe and the northern Caucasus is also the most widely supported. It would make sense, seeing as sophisticated Indo-Iranian cultures are generally accepted to have been established in India, and Anatolian ones in Turkey, long before evidence of Indo-European languages or cultures were found in most of Europe.
2) The dispersion of language isn't the same as the dispersion of PEOPLE.
Dux Limitis
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Long After Indo-Iranian languages were already widespread. The Halstatt culture in southern central Europe, the alleged origins of Celtic nations and languages, originated in 700-500 BC, whilst the advanced allegedly Indo-Iranian Oxus Civilisation originated around 2100 BC. By the time the Germanic, Celtic, and Italic cultures and languages were properly developed, Indo-Iranian cultures had spread from the Black Sea to the Tarim Basin in modern China, and from India to Siberia. If Indo-Europeans originated in Europe or Anatolia, this would mean that advanced Indo-European cultures should've developed there quite early (2000 BC, about), whilst Indo-Europeans would've been less advanced in the East and practically non-existant in India. The opposite seems to be true. The further east you go, the earlier advanced Indo-European cultures sprung up. Hallstat in southern central Europe in about 700 BC; Mycaenians in Greece around 1500 BC; Hittites and other Anatolians arounf at least 1700 BC and the Oxus civilisation in central asia around 2100 BC
D'oh, I said cultures, language is an important part of a culture.2) The dispersion of language isn't the same as the dispersion of PEOPLE.
Last edited by Dr. Croccer; September 07, 2009 at 11:08 AM.
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
This Showa the human recolonisation of Europe following the last glacial maximum and does not represent the expansion of indo European languages.Some of them, anyway.
Caucasian is an archaic term with no fixed definition. Race is almost entirely scientifically meaningless.
This is completely wrong. Firstly it is far from convlusive that basque has anything to do with Caucasian languages. Secondly basque has nothing to do with indo European, proto or otherwise. It is a language isolate. Your reference to Anatolian is also mystifying, as Anatolian certainly was a branch of indo European and indeed our earliest records of any indo euorpean language is Anatolian.Caucasian languages are the closest languages to Basque, which is though of as a proto-Indo-European language. The Kurgan Hypothesis (that proto-Indo-Europeans originated in Khazar, the Pontic steppe and the northern Caucasus is also the most widely supported. It would make sense, seeing as sophisticated Indo-Iranian cultures are generally accepted to have been established in India, and Anatolian ones in Turkey, long before evidence of Indo-European languages or cultures were found in most of Europe.
Last edited by removeduser_487563287433; September 08, 2009 at 02:10 AM.
Primicerius
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Maybe from number of your threads like '' XY was black, WTF? '' and simmilar?don't know where that came from.
Anyway here you'll hardly find anything useful, stick to the books and colege, in studying of anthroplogy they are still slightly better then random internet forum.
Praeses
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Caucasian also refers to Caucasians from Caucus. My father being one of them.
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Dux Limitis
Re: What is " Caucasian " ?
Yeah, there's a major confusion here between cultural origin and genetic origin.
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