Question on post war Germans, that actually are german

[Boyar Son]

So around considering the number of German troops and Hitler youth that fought and died in WW2, and the occupation by the allies, is there any germans in germany that's really..german anymore? kind of like how the Americans were known to have come to Britain and flirted with teh ladies there.

probably almost the whole young generation died, and soon the occupation by various countries after in WW2 must've gave some germans with british/russian/american family back ground. dont know much about this particular topic.

[gsoxx]

Really German as in still pure?

Germany lies in MIDDLE Europe and was playground for foreign armies and subject to cultural and demographic mixture for two thousand years.
World War II wasn't so special in this regard, think of the Thirty and Seven Years Wars, the Napoleonic Wars etc.. The region that is now Germany had its fair share of foreign (and domestic) aggression.

EDIT: Or are you more interested in the fate of children born to soldier-wives or because of rape?

[clandestino]

So around considering the number of German troops and Hitler youth that fought and died in WW2, and the occupation by the allies, is there any germans in germany that's really..german anymore?

I don't think that so much of them died, maybe 20% of male population, and the rest was more then capable to make up for the lost. It's noticed long time ago that after the wars population grows significantly faster then before the war, simply when country lost a lot of men in war the survivors start making more babies to compensate the lost. For example in World War I Serbia lost 50% of male population but the remaining 50% managed to repopulate the country after the war and same happened after WW II. It's connected with demand of labour force and availibility of resources, less people means more farming land available for survivors, more farming land means more food, more food means that more children can be raised who in return are needed to replace the lost labour force and make the farming of all that land easier etc

[konny]

probably almost the whole young generation died, and soon the occupation by various countries after in WW2 must've gave some germans with british/russian/american family back ground. dont know much about this particular topic.

About 5,000,000 Germans died in WWII, of which nearly 1/2 were civilians, what would be some 7% to 8% total of the entire population (compare: the 30 Years War killed about 1/3 of the entire German population). So about some 5% of the male would have been killed during the war.

In return more than 10,000,000 Germans were expelled (mostly in eastern Europe) and migrated into Germany immediatly after the war. The total number of imigrants into Germany as a result of WWII would have numbered to about 20,000,000. As the result, Germany (both East and West) actually had some 30% more inhabitans after WWII than before.

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If you would ask if there would have been a number of "mixed" people living in Germany as a result of foreign forces being stationed in Germany for the following 40+ years. Yes, they are: I am one of them, 1/2 German, 1/2 American.

[Odovacar]

Germany was never racially "pure" anyway, no country were.....

[TeutonicCrusader]

Germany was never racially "pure" anyway, no country were.....

Atleast they were on a good way towards it

[Pinarius]

I don't know anybody in my family that has British, American or Russian ancestors and my little French blood dates back to a time, when not even the first world war was fought. Maybe there's some wishful thinking on the side of Boyar Son?

[Boyar Son]

I don't know anybody in my family that has British, American or Russian ancestors and my little French blood dates back to a time, when not even the first world war was fought. Maybe there's some wishful thinking on the side of Boyar Son?

well as if your imagination didn't tell you already I'm concerned about the purity of the aryan race rather than whether or not most germans today have a foreign family member

to clarify i mean that, as a family are Germans german anymore. what with all this Russian rape and American flirting I've been hearing about in ww2. kind of like are the British really British Celts, or are the majority related to Saxons.

inb4aryanracebull. oh wait I'm too ing late.

[Pinarius]

You have already been told that your idea of "probably almost the whole young generation [in Germany] died" is idiotic, so why are still here to embarrass yourself? What is also typical for your generation is the rape-fantasies - raperaperaperape. Maybe you watch too much TV.

The United States were once a country with great people, but now ist's mostly folks like you living there - sad.

[Boyar Son]

You have already been told that your idea of "probably almost the whole young generation [in Germany] died" is idiotic, so why are still here to embarrass yourself? What is also typical for your generation is the rape-fantasies - raperaperaperape. Maybe you watch too much TV.

The United States were once a country with great people, but now ist's mostly folks like you living there - sad.

you:

You have already been told that your idea of "probably almost the whole young generation [in Germany] died" is idiotic

Theseus1234

Europe was like a giant mixing pot, so there aren't any really "pure" Brits or "pure" French. The course of wars, soldiers, and territory shifted the cultural demographic along with political border change.

Odovacar

Germany was never racially "pure" anyway, no country were.....

konny

About 5,000,000 Germans died in WWII, of which nearly 1/2 were civilians, what would be some 7% to 8% total of the entire population (compare: the 30 Years War killed about 1/3 of the entire German population). So about some 5% of the male would have been killed during the war.

In return more than 10,000,000 Germans were expelled (mostly in eastern Europe) and migrated into Germany immediatly after the war. The total number of imigrants into Germany as a result of WWII would have numbered to about 20,000,000. As the result, Germany (both East and West) actually had some 30% more inhabitans after WWII than before.

--------------------

If you would ask if there would have been a number of "mixed" people living in Germany as a result of foreign forces being stationed in Germany for the following 40+ years. Yes, they are: I am one of them, 1/2 German, 1/2 American

clandestino

I don't think that so much of them died, maybe 20% of male population, and the rest was more then capable to make up for the lost. It's noticed long time ago that after the wars population grows significantly faster then before the war, simply when country lost a lot of men in war the survivors start making more babies to compensate the lost. For example in World War I Serbia lost 50% of male population but the remaining 50% managed to repopulate the country after the war and same happened after WW II. It's connected with demand of labour force and availibility of resources, less people means more farming land available for survivors, more farming land means more food, more food means that more children can be raised who in return are needed to replace the lost labour force and make the farming of all that land easier etc

gsoxx

Really German as in still pure?

Germany lies in MIDDLE Europe and was playground for foreign armies and subject to cultural and demographic mixture for two thousand years.
World War II wasn't so special in this regard, think of the Thirty and Seven Years Wars, the Napoleonic Wars etc.. The region that is now Germany had its fair share of foreign (and domestic) aggression.

EDIT: Or are you more interested in the fate of children born to soldier-wives or because of rape?

i tried to find "idiotic" but i couldn't. maybe you should try listening to someone else other that your imaginary friend it looks like gsoxx is the only tough guy here who has the originality to insult over the net. no wait you did too.

TWC used to be filled with great smart people, now it's filled with people who say

rape-fantasies - raperaperaperape.

-PINARIUS.

[Pinarius]

Well, it's just too obvious that this thing fills your mind. But that's not really your fault - US-American TV is obsessed with Sex&Crime, it's like a cult. You grew up with it and that explains your brainwashed ideas.

[gsoxx]

it looks like gsoxx is the only tough guy here who has the originality to insult over the net. no wait you did too.

Uh, did I hurt your feelings somehow? I asked if you are interested in the fate of children who were born to rape OR because their parents were mixed german/foreign soldier, covering the most principle ways for a mixed heritage. No preference included here.

I know someone could perfectly well think of someone else as an idiot for asking if there are still "real" Germans left in Germany.
I for one just think it was a sadly successful attempt of being provocative. Happy now?

[Theseus1234]

Europe was like a giant mixing pot, so there aren't any really "pure" Brits or "pure" French. The course of wars, soldiers, and territory shifted the cultural demographic along with political border change.

[Lysimachus]

it looks like gsoxx is the only tough guy here who has the originality to insult over the net

Oh wow, he must be best friends with Mr. Infraction then. Considering you can get infracted for telling someone to "shut up", being a "tough guy" isn't worth it.

[antaeus]

being culturally german is something that is learned. it doesnt matter if you have a chinese father and a nigerian mother... if you grow up in germany, speaking german and living within the rules of german cultural identity... then you're german.

[wilpuri]

being culturally german is something that is learned. it doesnt matter if you have a chinese father and a nigerian mother... if you grow up in germany, speaking german and living within the rules of german cultural identity... then you're german.

May be in never-neverland.

[CiviC]

The subject of this thread is stupid, it implies that all men in Germany died in WWII and then Allies and Soviets came made babies with German women so now most Germans are not any more "pure" Germans. Beside being very untrue it also implies that Germans are/were a pure race. Let's not forget all lands East of Elbe and all Eastern half of Austria was 1000 years ago settled by Slavs. Those Slavs were conquered and Germanised so probably a large part of Eastern German and Austrian population has Slavic ancestors (many have even Slavic family names). Also Germans that were forced to flee Pomerania and Eastern Prussia after WWII have Baltic ancestors, many descending from Germanized Pomeranians and Old Prussians. Germany West of Rhine and South of Danube was Roman province, so probably Romans were assimilated by Germanic tribes in those parts ( an Austrian historians say for a long time after the fall of roman Empire a Romanised population lived around Salzburg). Even Scandinavians are not "pure" because Vikings brought slaves home, slaves that were treated more like family members/servants (a patriarchal slavery) so those slaves were assimilated into local population.

[TeutonicCrusader]

The subject of this thread is stupid, it implies that all men in Germany died in WWII and then Allies and Soviets came made babies with German women so now most Germans are not any more "pure" Germans. Beside being very untrue it also implies that Germans are/were a pure race. Let's not forget all lands East of Elbe and all Eastern half of Austria was 1000 years ago settled by Slavs. Those Slavs were conquered and Germanised so probably a large part of Eastern German and Austrian population has Slavic ancestors (many have even Slavic family names). Also Germans that were forced to flee Pomerania and Eastern Prussia after WWII have Baltic ancestors, many descending from Germanized Pomeranians and Old Prussians.

This genes that you mention can be lived with, there are far worse things for nazis.

[Publius Clodius Pulcher]

Honestly, while WWII did decimate the population of Germany, I would say the wars of Napoleon destroyed the flower of French youth for 20 years or so.

[Xerrop]

is there any germans in germany that's really..german anymore? ... probably almost the whole young generation died ... in WW2

wow, what a stupid oversimplification. Maybe 10 to 12 % of the male germans died during WWII. Not a devasting loss, although many of them would be from the younger generations. But there were enough left ...