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    OTTAWA -- Canada's six NHL teams are scrambling to find alternative travel arrangements south of the border after the U.S. Department of Transportation banned Air Canada's charter fleet from flying between U.S. cities.
    In a furious exchange with the Obama administration over the mid-August ruling, Canada has launched its own investigation and will soon close its skies to U.S. sports team charters in retaliation, warns Transport Minister John Baird.
    The sticking point is an eight-year-old exemption that had allowed sports and celebrity charters to make several pit stops in American cities. Under existing open skies agreements, regular Canadian airline flights can only visit one U.S. city before returning.
    NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly warns the charter ban will create a complicated "patchwork" of travel that could "wreck havoc" with the oncoming hockey schedule, including early league games in Europe, as teams scramble to book flights under the new rules.
    "It's potentially a very significant impact," Mr. Daly said Friday. "It's crazy and very destabilizing to our business. We're operating on a long-standing interpretation and for it to change overnight on the eve of our season is creating a huge problem for us."
    Air Canada executive vice president Duncan Dee predicted the ruling will create "chaos" for teams shuttling across the border. "It's extremely messy for both American and Canadian teams," he said. It was a unilateral action imposed without consultation or Air Canada being able to defend itself. It's obvious the U.S. Department of Transportation doesn't watch hockey."
    The Air Canada charters fly under the Jetz label.
    Mr. Baird said the dispute "shows the power of anti-free-trade Democrats in the Congress" and cautioned his government will respond in kind.
    "We've already directed the Canadian Transportation Agency to launch a formal inquiry and the next step will be a direction to the CTA to immediately prohibit charter flights by U.S. carriers under season-long contracts with professional sports teams with multiple stops in Canada," he said in an interview.
    The ruling also side-swipes musicians and other artists on tour.
    The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. It had demanded an investigation of passenger lists on the NHL flights, which found a few examples of injured players, personal trainers and team owners boarding the charter south of the border and departing at another U.S. city in a technical violation of the agreement.
    Despite the small number of passengers involved, the American side ruled it was enough to shut down an arrangement negotiated eight years ago during the George W. Bush presidency.
    The Anaheim Ducks have pulled back from an Air Canada contract and there are concerns existing clients like the Boston Bruins and NBA Milwaukee Bucks will follow suit.
    Air Canada says it still hopes Mr. Baird's hard-line response will force a resolution by the time NHL season starts next month.
    Former Air Canada president Montie Brewer says the Jetz charters are the only way to fly for teams that must reach their destinations without fail. Each charter plane comes with its own on-board mechanic and has exclusive access to private terminals regular airlines cannot use.





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    So, Canadians were breaking an agreement and it got canceled, now the Canadian government is whining?
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    While the rule change seems dumb Im confused here, Canada, NHL etc were all aware of a "mid august" ruling no? Giving well over 2 weeks of time to you know plan accordingly. I love when Canada tries to act tough with threats of retaliation though, its just so adorable.

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    What an asinine situation. Why the does the US government give a damn about who and where a chartered jet would fly around?
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    lol, Canada fails again.

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    I gotta say, this is pretty childish behavior on the Canadian government's part.
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    Wow, I can't believe that people are defending the US in this matter. No one gains from this ruling, people only lose out.
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    sounds like craziness from the USA here, interfering in business and others pleasure for the sake of beuarcracy? Maybe Canadas response is OTT but I think the point is that it is a response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    sounds like craziness from the USA here, interfering in business and others pleasure for the sake of beuarcracy? Maybe Canadas response is OTT but I think the point is that it is a response
    Dont get me wrong, the ruling in the first place is dumb, but Canada's response isn't exactly going to help the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    Dont get me wrong, the ruling in the first place is dumb, but Canada's response isn't exactly going to help the matter.
    Might cause US sports leagues that have dealings within Canada to complain about the ruling, thus putting pressure on the US authorities to reverse the ban? US sports teams (far more numerous, I'd imagine) certainly stand to lose more overall, as do the US airlines that got lots of money ferrying them around inside Canada, than the fewer Canadian teams.

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    The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association.
    Perhaps a bit of protectionism going on in the US pilots' unions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poach View Post
    Perhaps a bit of protectionism going on in the US pilots' unions?
    DING DING DING!

    They and congress want to force the NHL and others that utilitize these charter flights to us US airlines. Its more protectionism from Obama. This and the "Buy America" crap really puts me off Obama. Meanwhile, retarded Canadians still have an 89% approval rating of Obama.

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    Yeah I seriously hope the first few posts are knee-jerk nationalistic reactions, because this is nonsensical and i'd like to think the majority of people here are bigger than that. I can't believe people are defending a decision to ban an entire fleet of airline's charter flights because the teams they were servicing sometimes had an injured player who left the team on their roadtrip to go home, and who sometimes had a trainer go with them.

    Lets say Toronto was playing a U.S. roadtrip, lets say, Boston, New York, New Jersey, and Washington, they'd have to fly to Boston, back to Toronto, to New York, bus to New Jersey, fly to Toronto, then fly to Washington.

    And I'd say the response by the canadian gov. is rather appropriate. It's tit for tat. It sounds like this is part of the new *Buy-American* clause, little else, trying to force Canadian clubs to use U.S. airline services, but consider that there are SIX canadian teams, and TWENTY-FOUR American teams. In the long run it would be U.S. airlines losing out on 4x more business, and put increased financial pressure on already struggling U.S. NHL markets ( lol Probably see Phoenix move to Hamilton, and Atlanta to Winnipeg, so maybe it's not all bad).




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    More proof that the unions have way too much control over what they have no business controlling.

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    This is a bit much and I would be curious to see how much of this was union motivated. I am a bit curious as how will this benefit the US if Canada retaliates in kind? Seems no one really wins on this.

    I suppose this would affect baseball and basketball as well (unless they use other carriers).

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    Thats because Americans suck at hockey, they are just jealous.

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    I thought the Canadian Tories were up America's arse? or did Obama change everything?

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    "The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. It had demanded an investigation of passenger lists on the NHL flights, which found a few examples of injured players, personal trainers and team owners boarding the charter south of the border and departing at another U.S. city in a technical violation of the agreement."

    Read: Recession has crushed the charter industry so a multi-stop swing now requires an American charter and pilot. It's all about the economics. Pilots are out of work and the Pilots Association did it's job - protect the pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Read: Recession has crushed the charter industry so a multi-stop swing now requires an American charter and pilot. It's all about the economics. Pilots are out of work and the Pilots Association did it's job - protect the pilots.
    Until they get their head out of the sand and realize protectionism is stupid and just hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    "The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. It had demanded an investigation of passenger lists on the NHL flights, which found a few examples of injured players, personal trainers and team owners boarding the charter south of the border and departing at another U.S. city in a technical violation of the agreement."

    Read: Recession has crushed the charter industry so a multi-stop swing now requires an American charter and pilot. It's all about the economics. Pilots are out of work and the Pilots Association did it's job - protect the pilots.
    Thats the feeling I'm getting too.
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