christianity, if all else fails.

[Romanman]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh my science, do we have to get another god is real christianity is right topic every week.
It becomes a chore to have root out the ignorance. so i'll layout the arguements for my view agnostic atheism

lets use an example, i want you to imagine a box. now in this box there is some random item. YOu cannot look in the box you can only make a prediction from the size and shape of the box. Is it rational to assume that there is a pencil in the box? i suppose there could be but you really have no clues other than the size of the box. (it could be a pen, cat, eraser .....)

A scientific approach would be to measure the box, make a list of possible items and maybe eventually try and find a way to open the box. Now your friend Chris comes and sees it and says that there is obviously a pencil in the box. Ofcourse you reply we can't assume anything. But Chris assures you that the boxes size supports the fact that it is a pencil and instead of delving into the mysteries Chris tells you you're wasting your time your stupid and ITS A FREAKIN PENCIL. Then Chris leaves but his 20 other friends come over telling you your methods are stupid and its obviously A PENCIL.

that story should get you warmed up

typical christian argument.
1.science has been wrong before therefore it could be wrong now. Therefore lets trust the word of god in the bible,

this is a conclusion that does not relate to its premises.

if muffins are good. Therefore Lets play tag on the washigton monument. (???????????)

first science is a logical deductions with the given evidence. if we assume that science is wrong why not just flip a coin. WHY trust the bible???

2.Bible contains historical events.

such as two of every animal getting on a huge stoneage ship. WHere is the huge chapter about the gigantic lizard bones in the ground.

3. The universe had to have been created. it appears designed. therefore the bible is right.

The universe was created by what??? we don't know thats why a few intelligent people call it the first cause or the big bang we don't know but we are trying to find out. secondly The universe appears to be designed but we are actually designed to it its called evolution. if there was no gravity we'd still have christians talking about how good it was that god made us all floating. thridly you first have to prove to us that the bible is valid.

4. Atheism is wrong therefor christianity.
even though i disagree how bout agnosticism, islam, etc
anyway i made this threadd so that agnostics could keep posting the blatant fallacies of logic christians continue to use every week in a new post.

Next week i m predicting the new topic will be
How atheism fails by godwarriortemplar172837

by the way guys im going out to murder babies this weekend and drink blood while reading darwin anyone want to join.

On a serious note i want to tell everyone that life is beautiful i am not depressed i am not a failure and i don't hurt people.(i usually want them to like me)

[PacSubCom]

If all else fails, there is always Stalinism.

[Dead Sun]

If all else fails, hug your knees.

1.science has been wrong before therefore it could be wrong now. Therefore lets trust the word of god in the bible,

this is a conclusion that does not relate to its premises.

if muffins are good. Therefore Lets play tag on the washigton monument. (???????????)

first science is a logical deductions with the given evidence. if we assume that science is wrong why not just flip a coin. WHY trust the bible???

Before i start the retorts, i should mention im a theist but not a christian or any other religion im aware of
Ive never heard someone say "Science wrong, so trust in God" but i have heard someone say "if science was wrong, then i'd probably be an atheist." If Theists want to believe that scientific falsities prove their God, i'd quickly disagree because their god put the physical laws intot he Universe. If physics, biology, chemistry etc all turned out wrong, then the universe has clearly not been designed...

3. The universe had to have been created. it appears designed. therefore the bible is right.

The universe was created by what??? we don't know thats why a few intelligent people call it the first cause or the big bang we don't know but we are trying to find out. secondly The universe appears to be designed but we are actually designed to it its called evolution. if there was no gravity we'd still have christians talking about how good it was that god made us all floating. thridly you first have to prove to us that the bible is valid.

Universe was created by off big explosion some where in the centre of the universe. Is this god, is this non-existent atoms colliding, or is this something much more odd? Im not too sure how the Big Bang starts without something existing before existence.

Bible contains historical events.

such as two of every animal getting on a huge stoneage ship. WHere is the huge chapter about the gigantic lizard bones in the ground.

Problem i have with Noah's Ark is how one builds such an Ark without a) alerting everyone around him, and b) not being aware that ducks, fish, sharks, geese etc, can swim no matter how big the flood is.

Im not even going to consider the fourth Christian argument, because Atheism is a belief just as Christianity is and beliefs can only be proved false by infallible evidence. ie "Prove God exists" and "Prove god doesnt exist"

[cfmonkey45]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh my science, do we have to get another god is real christianity is right topic every week.
It becomes a chore to have root out the ignorance. so i'll layout the arguements for my view agnostic atheism

Too true, mate. Too true.

lets use an example, i want you to imagine a box. now in this box there is some random item. YOu cannot look in the box you can only make a prediction from the size and shape of the box. Is it rational to assume that there is a pencil in the box? i suppose there could be but you really have no clues other than the size of the box. (it could be a pen, cat, eraser .....)

A scientific approach would be to measure the box, make a list of possible items and maybe eventually try and find a way to open the box. Now your friend Chris comes and sees it and says that there is obviously a pencil in the box. Ofcourse you reply we can't assume anything. But Chris assures you that the boxes size supports the fact that it is a pencil and instead of delving into the mysteries Chris tells you you're wasting your time your stupid and ITS A FREAKIN PENCIL. Then Chris leaves but his 20 other friends come over telling you your methods are stupid and its obviously A PENCIL.

Although I found your example quite humorous, it fails in some major respects. Firstly, the example is rather impertinent and leaves out some key details. Why would anyone care enough to bring 20 friends to convince you it's a pencil? In the long line of things, it is irrelevant, whereas to theists and anti-theists, it's a matter of spirital/material survival (in the case of the latter, who believe, in many cases, that the world is better off without religion). That, and it only takes into account faith, and not necessarily revelation or other means of assuming that a deity exists. Thus, it is a Strawman.

that story should get you warmed up

typical christian argument.
1.science has been wrong before therefore it could be wrong now. Therefore lets trust the word of god in the bible,

this is a conclusion that does not relate to its premises.

if muffins are good. Therefore Lets play tag on the washigton monument. (???????????)

first science is a logical deductions with the given evidence. if we assume that science is wrong why not just flip a coin. WHY trust the bible???

I think your euphemistic usage of "Christian" in the place of "Fundamentalist" is quite misplaced. We probably shouldn't forget about some of the key progenitors and custodians of science throughout the years, some who actually helped formulate the scientific method (such as Sir Isaac Newton), or those that helped it leap forward, such as Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics and to whom the theory of evolution owes a great debt, as well as a number of other christian scientists throughout the modern, early modern, and medieval periods.


Aside from the nitpicking, it's probably evident that this is a gross-over simplification, if well-intentioned and, in some respects, spot-on to the ignorance of the pseudo-scientists.

2.Bible contains historical events.

such as two of every animal getting on a huge stoneage ship. WHere is the huge chapter about the gigantic lizard bones in the ground.

It does, to an extent. Ask any biblical scholar/historian worth his salt.

3. The universe had to have been created. it appears designed. therefore the bible is right.

The universe was created by what??? we don't know thats why a few intelligent people call it the first cause or the big bang we don't know but we are trying to find out. secondly The universe appears to be designed but we are actually designed to it its called evolution. if there was no gravity we'd still have christians talking about how good it was that god made us all floating. thridly you first have to prove to us that the bible is valid.

Evolution doesn't design things. It's a random sequence of mutations and alterations (in many, but not all, one-at-a-time) within a genome when passed through to that species offspring. Right track, but not quite dead-on.

Nevertheless, the Big Bang, being neither big, nor explosive, is a singular event that brought into existence the entire universe. Technically, we're not even sure if our Newtonian Laws of Physics or their Quantum derivatives still applied at the moment before that (which is an interesting question in and of itself, since space-time did not exist before then).

For your last point, I'll take an allegorical interpretation of Genesis and say that god represents the demiurge who created the universe ex nihilo. Big Bang = "Let there be light".

4. Atheism is wrong therefor christianity.
even though i disagree how bout agnosticism, islam, etc
anyway i made this threadd so that agnostics could keep posting the blatant fallacies of logic christians continue to use every week in a new post.

There is a stark absence in the comprehension of the concept of atheism/agnosticism in both camps, apparently.

Next week i m predicting the new topic will be
How atheism fails by godwarriortemplar172837

You realized that thread too, eh? I get tired of the people who try to prove or disprove god in one breath/post/topic.

[Sumonious]

What is the point of this thread? I don't have a clue. Is this a theist-bashing-Atheism thread or a atheist-bashing-theism thread :| ?