CIA Investagations

[Disaray]

Being as I am currently an unimployed student I have lots of time to listen to the radio and watch the TV. One thing that has come up in the news over the last few days is the planded investagation of CIA agaents in prisoner abuse and alagations of torture. Another thing I have had time to notice is that there are a lot of conservite/libritarian minded people here on this site. My questions are many fold and I was wondering if there were any such peope who fit the conservitave/libritarian mold that would awnser a few questions I have about this subject.

I would dearly apreciate if you would suffer thrugh my line of question, not to mention my poor spelling abillitys.

The questions are as falows:

1: Is the act of tourturing another humanbeing a crime?

2: If a crime is commited shouldn't it be investagated?

3: Are CIA agaents involved in the preposed investagations citizens of the US and as such beholden to all US law?

4 If there are breaches of the law shouldn't those responcebile be held to account?

and finaly 5: Even if the CIA agents in question were given orders to torcher people shouldn't they have know it was illigal to do so, and as such be willfuly and knowing breaking the law by torchering these indviduuals?

I ask these questions not to stir up controversy, but to better understand the conservitive/libritarian mind set and to better understnad the opinion of peope that frequent these bords. As I must admit that I find it to be rather vexing at times. If any one would be so kind as to awnser these questions I would be much abliged.

[Big War Bird]

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1: Is the act of tourturing another humanbeing a crime?

That rather depends on the meaning of "torture." If waterboarding is torture then I'm all for torture, if it is breaking knee caps and pulling out fingernails I'm not. Waterboarding to me seems completely humane.

2: If a crime is commited shouldn't it be investagated?

No. Would you prosecute someone a man driving too fast to get his child to an emergency room? The law is not always right. At any right I do not think waterboarding is torture.

I'm quite sure that you would torture a person yourself in the right situation. Say a gang kidnapped your wife and daughter and buried then in a box and they only had 24 hours to live, but you managed to catch one of the kidnappers. I guarantee you there is nothing you would not do to that person to get the location of your family. I would not consider you wrong no matter what you did.

3: Are CIA agaents involved in the preposed investagations citizens of the US and as such beholden to all US law?

We assume so.

4 If there are breaches of the law shouldn't those responcebile be held to account?

See above, it entirely depends on the situation.

and finaly 5: Even if the CIA agents in question were given orders to torcher people shouldn't they have know it was illigal to do so, and as such be willfuly and knowing breaking the law by torchering these indviduuals?

As a a matter of fact there was an invesitigation carried out and those CIA officeers that exceeds their guidlines were punished. Typically a public official is insulated from being prosecuted when he beleives an action to be legal but later turns out to be illegal. It would be chaos otherwise.

[Disaray]

So you are infavor of only enforcing some laws? Hm. Kind of seems like a bad idea to me. As for your speeding husband example I find it a little bewildering that you are equivicating breaking the speed limit and breaking laws against torture. Further I never said anything about prosocution, just investagation. The two are diferant and the diferance is rather important.

Further we are talking about more than water boarding, which most certanly is torture just ask any one that actualy has been water boarded; the real thing too, not that pussy Fox News "demonstration" water boarding. Among the alagations of torture are things like fake exacutions, threatening restrained prisoners with pistols and other weapons, threataning to drag in the family of the person being detained and harming or exacuting them... A little more than speeding I think.

If the agents of the CIA are citizens and as such are beholden to the law then doing things like this, if they are prosacuted and found giulty of, will and should land them in a cell for a while. I am sure if you were on the recieving end of such abuse you would demand no less.

Saying it depends on the situation flys in the face of the law. Some thing is eather aginst the law when it is done or it isn't against the law when it is done. Cut and dry though it may be, that is how it is.

The agents in question are profecinal interiagators and as such I am asuming they know the law with regaurd to what they can and cannot do. There should be no question in their mind that what they did was wrong, no question. If your boss walked into your office and told you to do some thing that you knew to be blatantly illigal would you do it? Why should the government employees be held to a diferant standard?

[Sphere]

Well the current investigation is limited to people who went beyond the already exceedingly broad legal guidlines that came out of the DoJ.

That rather depends on the meaning of "torture." If waterboarding is torture then I'm all for torture, if it is breaking knee caps and pulling out fingernails I'm not. Waterboarding to me seems completely humane.

There were quite a few deaths of detainee's in American custody.

[Maca]

1: Is the act of tourturing another humanbeing a crime?

2: If a crime is commited shouldn't it be investagated?

3: Are CIA agaents involved in the preposed investagations citizens of the US and as such beholden to all US law?

4 If there are breaches of the law shouldn't those responcebile be held to account?

and finaly 5: Even if the CIA agents in question were given orders to torcher people shouldn't they have know it was illigal to do so, and as such be willfuly and knowing breaking the law by torchering these indviduuals?

I ask these questions not to stir up controversy, but to better understand the conservitive/libritarian mind set and to better understnad the opinion of peope that frequent these bords. As I must admit that I find it to be rather vexing at times. If any one would be so kind as to awnser these questions I would be much abliged.

1) I am of the belief that all physical violence to gain information is torture and is a crime. Mental techniques to get information is a far more complicated thing and I have no opinion on it until I have more information about it.

2) Yes, though the speeding example is a good argument, 99 times out of 100 it should be investigated.

3) As I am Scottish and don't know the American system very well, I would have assume that yes, they should follow all US laws.

4) Yes, fully responible and punished accordingly

5) Again yes, they should know and as such are willingly breaking the law.