Why hate Israel?

[Valentin the II]

OK I’m sick and tiered of everyone accusing Israel in well… evrysing .
Now I wont you 2 tell me why do you hate Israel so much?
What did wee do to you?

PS : plz no trolling or bad language

[Brian Boru]

Probably something to do with the fact that the world has allowed Israel to attack other countries and occupy their land whilst moving in settlers and after almost 50 years still refusing to leave. At the same time they treat the Palestinians like dirt, after WW2 you would have thought the Jews would have learnt some thing?

[Perkele]

, after WW2 you would have thought the Jews would have learnt some thing?

They did: pacifism is not worth it.

[Oldgamer]

Probably something to do with the fact that the world has allowed Israel to attack other countries and occupy their land whilst moving in settlers and after almost 50 years still refusing to leave. At the same time they treat the Palestinians like dirt, after WW2 you would have thought the Jews would have learnt some thing?

Brian, you might be interested in knowing that your position is almost a carbon-copy of the position held by the National Socialist Movement (I will NOT provide a link!). And no, I'm not accusing you of being a Nazi. But it might be a good idea to see what company you have in any position.

[OriginOfSymmetry]

there is alot of BS in that page indeed, and wikipedia is not a reliable site seince its written by privete users.
beside, its updated to february, and the wall-line has changed many times since than in-favor of the palestinians.
im not sayin that the wall is all good and happy, but whats written in there is just exaggeration.
but, if you want to accept the most palestinian-extremist (and they were the only one's the international court) stands and compare the israelis to the nazis, youre wellcome to

[Ummon]

Israel has always been attacked, and never attacked other countries except in one occasion.

[Brian Boru]

Yes and its that one occasion that is causing all the problems today.

[Valentin the II]

WOW ! I didn’t sink that someone will actually defend Israel except for me!
Nice to mite you ummon.
Anyway you’re right wee only defend ( and wee do it quite well I might add ) .

[Atheist Peace]

Well i suppose what makes people like me most want to hold israel accountable is the refusal of people, mainly americans to place any blame on them for the problems in the middle east. Also, they really did just steal palestinian land because their nation was just installed there after WW2 and anything done based on indignant emotions like that should obviously be reconsidered in the future. Israel is responsible for just as much terror as the palestinians and they continue to claim even more land than they were handed originally and then the palestinians are evil for not welcoming this.

[MareNostrum]

Israel and WMD
cant they just be honest about it?
and hopefully sign the NPT..
if not.. then we should not be bothered if other present nations in the region also have the ambition to build WMD and also are vague about it.

Israel and UN resolutions..
Sometimes Israel ignores UN resolutions. And that's their right if they want to solve problems based on their own perception. Hopefully every other nation in the region will also get the same reaction, not getting a sanction, when doing the same thing.

What I like about Israel?
The way how a desert land has turned into what is now...

A relative of mine is living in Israel and is married to an Israeli woman.
Hopefully I will be able to visit them next year and do some sightseeing in Tel-Aviv. And yes dont worry.. I have the intention to buy a round trip ticket..

My english aint that good as well Valentin the II..
but for the love of god please write "we" instead of "wee"

[MaximiIian]

WOW ! I didn’t sink that someone will actually defend Israel except for me!
Nice to mite you ummon.
Anyway you’re right wee only defend ( and wee do it quite well I might add ) .

English is your second or third language, I'm guessin', lad?

[Ummon]

Actually, Israel was legitimately defending itself even then.

Israel's self-defence is most decisive and particularly violent, yet, I find no essential faults in it. The problems in middle east are the problems of a rather complicated history. The UN resolution which allowed the formation of Israel may have been a mistake, but if one accepts the concept behind the UN, the right answer was not war, but agreement and diplomacy. Once the mistake is done, violence won't erase it.

Yet I disagree it was a mistake, after the extermination of 6 millions of Jews.

The problem is also that we tend to overestimate our faults when it comes to Palestine and Israel, and we discount those of the Arabs, supposing that just because they are "weaker" they should be treated with leniency when they make multiple bad, illegal moves.

It's the guilt complex of the conquerors, which the west is experiencing since communism undermined its self-assured optimism.

[Valentin the II]

Ok first of our self-defense is not violent, if it was violent there would not be any Muslims left in the world ( believe me, we have the power we just don’t use it ).
Oh and MareNostrum, you should really visit Ashcelon. Our city is beautiful and we have the best park in Israel, with some beautiful ancient ruins.

PS : iye cpalling noot bed :p

[Tom Paine]

Really? You have the power to wipe out a religion and all its adherents, including those not attacking you? Not a chance, mate.

And your "self-defence" in the Palestinian territories is violent. I call them territories because, well, you occupy them with a military force. Atacking refuge camps and so on is not defence, it is attacking the innocent to get to the guilty. Shooting an aid worker and children? Well, that isn't even defence. No, I can't say that your defence is even active but non-violent; it is a violent and over-zealous "defence".

[MeKtHep]

Isreal And The palastines are @ war sinds the isrealian people where summond there by englend when it was a collonie there are muslims and jews living there both want there capital of there religon but neither one is willing to work together

and i think everybody hates isreal cause of the jews have bin kickt arround this planet like 2000 years ? more ?
and from this day all people of isreal are good educated people and have good jobs and are intelligent and have good system of army and good technology and there just sick and tired i geus of giving everything up and they just want peace but groups like hamas jihad dont give them that peace cause of the religon stuff in it

so i think it will never stop and i dont hate isreal ore palastines i just think the fighting there is noncense

[Tom Paine]

Excuse me, but I think the dislike has more to do with the fact that Israel is currently occupying an area of Palestine by force and imposing restrictions on the Palestinians in the area. Are Palestinian muslims even allowed into Jerusalem and Israel at the moment? The Palestinians were removed forcibl from Israel by the British, and the dislike really started there. And of course, there is a difference between Judaism and Zionism; I'm fine with one, but can't stand the other.
Just to correct your history: Israel was formed in a British Protectorate, Palestine, under the orders of the UN; Jews who chose could emigrate there. We didn't kick them all out (it would be very hard), we gave the a choice to return to their Holy Land. Big difference.

[Erik]

People hate Israel because they oppress and kill innocent people, it's as simple as that.
This doesn't mean we don't hate the Palestinian terrorists: they kill innocent people too.
The difference is that Israel is a democracy and the majority of Israeli's support the killing of innocents by their government.
But the vast majority of Palestinian people can't do anything to stop Palestinian terrorists.
This is why I hate SOME Palestinians and MOST Israeli's.

[MoROmeTe]

People that hate Israel should change their stance to a more rational one. I tend to blame Israel for some of its actions. I tend to blame some of Israel's justifications. I do not hate Israel and I do not hate the people living there. I admire some of the things they have done...

I also think Israel should not play by a different set of rules. They should try and do something about the situation in the Middle East, a situation that they helped create but that they are not solely responsible for.

Again, hating Israel and Israelis is not a good idea or a good attitude. Let's try and be rational and argumentative, it is about people and religions and politics and irational feelings are not the way to go, really...

Everybody hating should wiki a little on the subject and read... I would post some links but...

You can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-..._%28Current%29 and then links abound... it took me a few days to read and understand it all... don't forget the links at the bottom of the page(s)

[Tom Paine]

People and religions are not rational however. On the other hand the situation is more political than anything else: so we must be rational but bear in mind the other factors. and remember the irrationality inherent to the situation. Hatred is an emotional rather than a rational response, stemming from the less major facets of the issue. Of course, we can hate the situation; that is very different from hating Israel or the people involved, and it is the way I tend to go. Israel screwed up, the Palestinians and Middle Eastern nations screwed up. Everyone needs to get over the past: the present is what really matters.

[MoROmeTe]

That's the kind of attitude that can get us some results in the Israel - Palestinian conflict if only the political heads adopted it...