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    Conservatives wave red flags over Obama school speech

    It’s pretty straightforward stuff: On Sept. 8, President Barack Obama is scheduled to deliver a major speech to American schoolchildren. According to Arne Duncan, the secretary of education, the president will discuss, among other topics, the importance of working hard, and setting educational goals.
    “He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens,” Duncan wrote in an open letter last week.
    You know, the basics. The kind of things that most kids should know. But the prospect of this speech – which will be broadcast live on the White House’s website – has sent tremors through certain corners of the blogosphere. At issue is a document the Department of Education has created to help teachers drive Obama’s points home. Here’s an excerpt:
    Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
    According to commentator Michelle Malkin, the lesson plans have the whiff of subversive activism. “Schools have used students as little lobbyists on everything from illegal immigration to gay marriage to anti-war activism, and most recently, [c]ensus collection,” Malkin wrote. “Will Obama be able to resist issuing a call to youth arms to marshal help in passing his legislative agenda?”
    Meanwhile, the conservative radio host Dana Loesch has launched a campaign urging parents to keep their children home on the day of Obama’s speech. In an email urging against the “Socialist Indoctrination of Americas children,” [sic] Loesch explains that Americans must not “mind our Ps and Qs and blindly follow their directives”:
    That’s not the manner of governance upon which this country was founded – it is quite the opposite; even the hobbyist Constitutional aficionado appreciates this. So yes, keep your kids home on September 8th and teach them that the power of America rests in the hands of its people, no one else.
    As of this afternoon, the email had gone viral, and made the phrase “Obama school speech” one of the most searched on the web.
    So is the uproar having an effect? In some cases, the answer is yes. Dallas officials “are leaving the decision to [view Obama’s address] up to individual teachers,” the Houston Chronicle reports. “[P]arents who don’t want their children to see it can opt out. In Houston, each school will decide.”
    And in at least one part of Missouri, kids won’t be seeing the speech at all.
    For its part, the White House says that conservatives misunderstand the purpose of the address. “The goal of the speech and the lesson plans is to challenge students to work hard in school, to not drop out and to meet short-term goals like behaving in class, doing their homework and goals that parents and teachers alike can agree are noble,” a White House spokesman told FOXNews.com. “This isn’t a policy speech. This is a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school.”
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    You can read the White House memo to schools abou the speech here.

    But here are the highlights:

    "The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."

    As if that wasn't enough, the federal Department of Education has put together a worksheet for teachers across America so that they can properly prepare their students for the President's speech. There are some little gems in this worksheet that could be troublesome. Pretty much what you would expect, though, from government.

    An example: In the teacher's worksheet the teacher is urged to discuss with the students the following questions:
    • What do you think the president wants us to do?
    • Does the speech make you want to do anything?
    • Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?
    • What would you like to tell the president?
    Well how about I suggest a few more questions:

    • What are the constitutional limits on this president's power?
    • Is the president asking us to do things that are really outside of his designated powers?
    • SHOULD we do what President Obama is asking of us?
    • Do you feel the president was talking to you, or with you?

    Frankly I am considering keeping my daughter home from school Sept. 8. I don't trust Obama to get even this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    Frankly I am considering keeping my daughter home from school Sept. 8. I don't trust Obama to get even this right.
    lol stop with the crap, if only u could stop posting on TWC and read more to your daughter...

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    I.. wha..

    ... coincidentally, I've just finished reading The Onion, so I just *have* to ask: is this a joke? Because I can't figure out what part of this thread is objectionable. It's one thing if Obama said, "snitch on your parents and vote Democrat", but frankly this article, if it's true, seems to be trying to build a molehill out of a mountain.

    Wait, sorry, other way round XD

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    May I point out that something like this has never been done before?

    Oh and teachers are suppose to read (propaganda) books and articles about p-bo to get thing rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    May I point out that something like this has never been done before?

    Oh and teachers are suppose to read (propaganda) books and articles about p-bo to get thing rolling.
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6599457.html

    In 1989, President George H.W. Bush used a nationally televised speech to schoolchildren to push an anti-drug campaign. He urged young people to stop using drugs.
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    owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6599457.html

    In 1989, President George H.W. Bush used a nationally televised speech to schoolchildren to push an anti-drug campaign. He urged young people to stop using drugs.
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    owned?
    He didn't give it to me, I was in school then.

    Again, I need to ask, what is "this" that is objectionable? Giving speeches to schoolchildren? I have no love for Obama, but I'm not going to accuse him of evildoing for everything he does.
    Like I said, I don't trust him to get this right. I don't know if he can resist the opportunity to enlist impressionable skulls full of mush into his agenda.

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    All I see in this thread is baseless paranoia. TDS, you have no basis for your claims other than your biased view towards Obama. It's as simple as that.

    As for young impressionable skulls, I'm sure the parents have much more influence over what their children believe than even the President. He's just a figure, and I don't think his words will be that powerful. The words of a family, however, are much more influential to a child. And if the parents don't like what he says, they will just tell they child how they should think anyway, regardless of Obama.

    I wouldn't get too worried about your Republican child, TDS, it's already set in stone what he/she's beliefs will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    He didn't give it to me, I was in school then.
    u dont wanna read the ing source? Yes, Bush senior gave a speech to all school children too, you are wrong (perhaps you even lied). This is not unprecedented. /thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post

    Like I said, I don't trust him to get this right. I don't know if he can resist the opportunity to enlist impressionable skulls full of mush into his agenda.

    Like parents, the media and even in some cases the schools themselves have never pressed their political views on young minds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    Like parents, the media and even in some cases the schools themselves have never pressed their political views on young minds?
    I'd be happy to hear that it was only political views that were disseminated by teachers in the US...instead we also have them teaching about Dinosaur saddles as part of man's dino-domestication program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6599457.html

    In 1989, President George H.W. Bush used a nationally televised speech to schoolchildren to push an anti-drug campaign. He urged young people to stop using drugs.
    So, that makes it okay? Both Obama and Bush are way out of line.

    Who exactly is a president? "The Nation's Teacher"? Maybe let's call him a chairman too, and a "man of steel", and "first prime minister".


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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    So, that makes it okay? Both Obama and Bush are way out of line.

    Who exactly is a president? "The Nation's Teacher"? Maybe let's call him a chairman too, and a "man of steel", and "first prime minister".
    what's wrong with the head of the state speaking to the students so they can "work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning"???

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    Run from the black helicopters! It's the UN!

    Seriously, what's the big deal if he just encourages kids to work hard in school? It's not like their parents can be expected to do that nowadays. Honestly, one of my friends is a teacher and only ONE-THIRD of his kids' parents even bother to show up for parent-teacher conferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    May I point out that something like this has never been done before?
    Again, I need to ask, what is "this" that is objectionable? Giving speeches to schoolchildren? I have no love for Obama, but I'm not going to accuse him of evildoing for everything he does.

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    Presidents giving speeches to schoolchildren is nothing new, and I highly doubt that Obama, charismatic as you might think he is, would be able to turn your normal, average schoolchildren into slaves of the Democratic Party just because they happen to hear one speech by him.

    Quoting the phrase by some guy here, "take it easy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    Presidents giving speeches to schoolchildren is nothing new, and I highly doubt that Obama, charismatic as you might think he is, would be able to turn your normal, average schoolchildren into slaves of the Democratic Party just because they happen to hear one speech by him.

    Quoting the phrase by some guy here, "take it easy"
    You are seriously underestimating the power of the education system, which is the most powerful tool of the state in shaping the populace.
    Last edited by The Devil's Sergeant; September 02, 2009 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    You are seriously underestimating the power of the education system, which is the most powerful tool of the state.
    And it's ignored and under-funded.

    Funny, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballin Colin View Post
    And it's ignored and under-funded.

    Funny, that.
    It's hardly ignored or under-funded. Problem lies with home communities. Done.

    And George Orwell WAS a socialist, but renounced it at the end. Because he'd seen the total inanity of it firsthand.

    So the true irony is that when liberals quote Orwell they are actually the very people he was worried about.

    They become the interrogator dude from 1984.

    And for the record, ALL totalitarian governments are left.

    I will use this chart to demonstrate, although I will have to improvise and make do because, for the point I which to illustrate I need a specific graph and I can't find it. Via google. So I only use this one because it is the type of chart I need.

    Now, pretend the Y axis is labeled "Government Control/Power" and at the 0 point is actually 0, for no government control, and runs to the top where its at 100, or total control. The X axis is labeled "Individual Freedom/Power" and runs from 0/No freedom whatsoever to 100, total freedom.


    Now, you imagine plotting appropriate points to be labeled as different government types. So for instance, (99,1) or (98/2) or even (90,10) let's say might be Stalinist or Maoist. Then you'd put German fascism at somewhere right around the same mark.

    Keep plotting all the different levels of government or lack thereof, then draw a curved arc through all the points.

    At the "far right" you'd have anarchists, and at the "far left" different versions of communists and socialists.

    While it would be easy to switch the axises labels to try and refute my point, it doesn't really matter. The main idea here is that in our world the farther you go left you are always ending up with the same type of government.

    It doesn't matter how beneficent the government is originally supposed to be or not be. You end up in the same heavy chains.

    The typical idea of a "right wing wacko" is of some moonbat polishing a rifle in his secret bunker in the woods, right? For good reason, and wouldn't you admit that he is much closer to an anarchist than one whose pushing for a national this, a national that, healthcare, eugenics, citizen armies, etc. ???

    This demonstrates my point. Which is that people are only half-educated, like the whole irony with leftists' misunderstandings of Orwell's worst fears, and misapprehension of who he was directing his message most especially to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    You are seriously underestimating the power of the education system, which is the most powerful tool of the state.
    I thought you're concerned with Obama's speech? And unless if they are now introducing Obamaology in schools and making it mandatory for each student to pledge allegiance to Obama, I don't see the link between "Obama's speech" and "public schools = evil". And if you are implying that the state-sponsored education system will turn children into slaves of the state, then a question: what sort of school is your children attending?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant View Post
    You are seriously underestimating the power of the education system, which is the most powerful tool of the state in shaping the populace.
    I still think half the I learned in social studies class is national propaganda, "allies are great, allies are good, we dropped nukes on Japan and bobed Dreseden for JUSTICE while killing thousands in the process! It was something great that we did, and we freed the Jews!", yep, no effect on me lol.

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