Cuban healthcare better than US's?

[Bleda]

People arguing that the Cuban healthcare system is better than the US system is amazing really. They don't take into account ANYTHING other than it being "free". As I've said before, it's a free bed to die in and thats it.

Whats great about it? These people seriously think that "free" takes precedence over quality. Keep in mind that these are also the same people who think the US needs to pass Obamacare, that should tell you something about the quality of this legislation.

[Augment]

I've never been in a Cuban hospital but i wouldn't mind some sexual healing from those cuban chicas

[GuineaPig]

I agree that it's silly to say that Cuba's health care is superior to that of the United States, but to use that as an argument against a universal health care system is even dumber. Look, a third world country can't properly fund it's universal health care! That means the richest country on earth can't either!

[Monarchist]

What the heck? America has only produced the majority of medical breakthroughs - medicinal and technological - since Polio vaccine. I don't see the point to such a question when Cubans can't even get toilet paper and they're dying in their own hospitals from negligence.. This thread scares me.

[Manco]

Aren't you proud your healthcare system is better than a bunch of piss poor countries? [and no one says Cuban's is better, it's just below the US according to the WHO)

A fairer poll would be comparing, say, Sweden, Germany, GB, France, Spain and the US.

[OneArmedScissor]

lol
This guy is absolutely absurd.
He's being willfully obtuse of the current health care crisis in America and continues to perpetuate asinine information and lies. How am I not surprised he'd have the nerve to actually make a thread like this?


His inane logic goes as follows -
American health care is better than Cuban health care.
Therefore, America has the best health care system.

http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN07651650

WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.

They called such deaths an important way to gauge the performance of a country's health care system.

Nolte said the large number of Americans who lack any type of health insurance -- about 47 million people in a country of about 300 million, according to U.S. government estimates -- probably was a key factor in the poor showing of the United States compared to other industrialized nations in the study.

"I wouldn't say it (the last-place ranking) is a condemnation, because I think health care in the U.S. is pretty good if you have access. But if you don't, I think that's the main problem, isn't it?" Nolte said in a telephone interview.

In establishing their rankings, the researchers considered deaths before age 75 from numerous causes, including heart disease, stroke, certain cancers, diabetes, certain bacterial infections and complications of common surgical procedures.

Such deaths accounted for 23 percent of overall deaths in men and 32 percent of deaths in women, the researchers said.

France did best -- with 64.8 deaths deemed preventable by timely and effective health care per 100,000 people, in the study period of 2002 and 2003. Japan had 71.2 and Australia had 71.3 such deaths per 100,000 people. The United States had 109.7 such deaths per 100,000 people, the researchers said.

After the top three, Spain was fourth best, followed in order by Italy, Canada, Norway, the Netherlands, Sweden, Greece, Austria, Germany, Finland, New Zealand, Denmark, Britain, Ireland and Portugal, with the United States last.

[OneArmedScissor]

Aren't you proud your healthcare system is better than a bunch of piss poor countries? [and no one says Cuban's is better, it's just below the US according to the WHO)

A fairer poll would be comparing, say, Sweden, Germany, GB, France, Spain and the US.

When have American insurance companies, their salesmen, and their apologists ever been about fairness?

[Dr. Croccer]

Did you just start a thread on the basis of your own strawman?

[justicar5]

People arguing that the Cuban healthcare system is better than the US system is amazing really. They don't take into account ANYTHING other than it being "free". As I've said before, it's a free bed to die in and thats it.

Whats great about it? These people seriously think that "free" takes precedence over quality. Keep in mind that these are also the same people who think the US needs to pass Obamacare, that should tell you something about the quality of this legislation.

Now add some fair comparisons, the UK, France, Germany, Australia... Or I get to say Somalia is the perfect example of capitalism at work.

[Dr. Croccer]

Apparantly, Europe, the more wealthy Asian states and the Commonwealth don't exist in Bleda's atlas.

[Father Jack]

lol

Why did you compare US healthcare to 3rd world countries universal healthcare? At least compare it to 1st world nations with universal healthcare, like the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia etc. Or is it becuase the USA lags behind those countries in the WHO list?

[Bleda]

I agree that it's silly to say that Cuba's health care is superior to that of the United States, but to use that as an argument against a universal health care system is even dumber. Look, a third world country can't properly fund it's universal health care! That means the richest country on earth can't either!

The STUPIDITY of it comes from the left who draw comparisons with third world countries saying that their care provided is better. Its not my argument, it belongs to the left. Ever seen the movie Sicko, idiots all over the US just love that movie.

If the Democrats honestly wanted to stay in power for the next 50 years, they would do a complete overhaul of the health care system that rivals and surpasses every other nation's health care system.
And don't say it can't be done. Hell... You're America. You build B2 stealth bombers, nuclear weapons, and sent a dude to the moon, and you're gonna try to say America can't make a superb health care system?

But then again I remind myself that it's the Democrats who are just as evil and in bed with corporations as the Republicans are.

In short, America is terrible.

A bastion of unbiased political thought.

When you're so low on the totem pole in terms of overall quality of available health care, there really isn't much in terms of "comparable". If I was Cuban, I'd be a little insulted that you just attempted to draw comparisons to the Cuban public system, and the degenerate version of health care practised in aMErica.

Hmmmm..... saying Cuban is better it sounds like. I'll add you to the list of people who can't tell their head from their ass.

''Free'' healthcare, as in, free. Instead of paying for it directly, your taxes are going to be used for it. Again, I fail to see how the Righties seem to think that it will be worse. US spending on healthcare is already massive. If they discard the useless programs, and concentrate on public healthcare, I fail to see how there could be a problem.

I find it rather amusing that you call universal healthcare ''unpleasant'', when the US already has one of the worst, most costly, and most expensive healthcare in the world.

Ill conceived statements does it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqsP...layer_embedded

and here we can see a video of how Democrats in congress aren't afraid to play the race card or make ridiculous statements about the wonders of the Cuban health system. If our system takes ANY cues from Cuba we'll have real problems then

[Amry]

The STUPIDITY of it comes from the left who draw comparisons with third world countries saying that their care provided is better.

I think the argument actually goes like this: "Cuba is a dirt-poor country, but they still can provide universal health care for each and every one of its citizens. So why can't the US, with all its wealth, do the same?" It's more of a question of coverage rather than quality.

[Kjertesvein]

I think the argument actually goes like this: "Cuba is a dirt-poor country, but they still can provide universal health care for each and every one of its citizens. So why can't the US, with all its wealth, do the same?" It's more of a question of coverage rather than quality.

The answer is simple:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Billionaires for Wealthcare!!!

[OneArmedScissor]

A bastion of unbiased political thought.

It's documented fact. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Manco]

The STUPIDITY of it comes from the left who draw comparisons with third world countries saying that their care provided is better. Its not my argument, it belongs to the left. Ever seen the movie Sicko, idiots all over the US just love that movie.

The STUPIDITY, to quote yourself, is you who doesn't get that people don't compare Cuba and the US. They point to Cuba and say, if they with all their troubles and villainized political system can set up a working healthcare system, then why can't the liberal democracy that is the US with all its wealth set up something that works with similar results as every single other rich Western country?

Oh btw, the irony of combatting flawed comparisons with the worst comparison in ages is I hope intentional?

[OTZ]

Hmmmm..... saying Cuban is better it sounds like. I'll add you to the list of people who can't tell their head from their ass.

Look's like I'm in good company!

people who can't tell their head from their ass

1. Bleda
2. OTZ

I like lists!

[Azog 150]

Well Cuba does have a higher life expectancy then the US. It has also traditionally had a good health care system and the only thing weighing it down (As well as the rest of the Cuban economy) is the US embargoes meaning a shortage of medicine. However, they certainly have no shortage of health care staff (The highest doctor-to-population ratio in the world). Plus its universal.

Basically, the Cuban health care system isn't as bad as some of you seem to think it is- with the main thing holding it back being US embargoes (Without embargoes, I am sure Cuba's system would out-do America's system).

[Del Valle]

Well Cuba does have a higher life expectancy then the US. It has also traditionally had a good health care system and the only thing weighing it down (As well as the rest of the Cuban economy) is the US embargoes meaning a shortage of medicine. However, they certainly have no shortage of health care staff (The highest doctor-to-population ratio in the world). Plus its universal.

Basically, the Cuban health care system isn't as bad as some of you seem to think it is- with the main thing holding it back being US embargoes (Without embargoes, I am sure Cuba's system would out-do America's system).

The embargo cannot stop shipments of humanitarian goods such as medicine and food. And where did you get that statistic of life expectancy. And weren't you the same guy who said Cuba didn't have good cuisine? Read up on stuff before you write such ignorant posts.

[Doctor]

Well Cuba does have a higher life expectancy then the US.

That is because we eat to much fast food...