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    BAGHDAD – An Iraqi journalist imprisoned for hurling his shoes at former President George W. Bush will be released next month after his sentence was reduced for good behavior, his lawyer said Saturday.


    Muntadhar al-Zeidi's act of protest during Bush's last visit to Iraq as president turned the 30-year-old reporter into a folk hero across the Arab world, as his case became a rallying point for critics who resented the 2003 U.S. invasion and occupation.


    "Al-Zeidi's shoes were a suitable farewell for Bush's deeds in Iraq," Sunni lawmaker Dhafir al-Ani said in welcoming the early release. "Al-Zeidi's act expressed the real will and feelings of the Iraqi people. His anger against Bush was the result of the suffering of his countrymen."


    The journalist has been in custody since the Dec. 14 outburst, which occurred as Bush was holding a news conference with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Al-Maliki, who was standing next to Bush at the time, was said to have been deeply offended by the act.


    Al-Zeidi was initially sentenced to three years in prison after pleading not guilty to assaulting a foreign leader. The court reduced it to one year because the journalist had no prior criminal history.


    Defense attorney Karim al-Shujairi said al-Zeidi will now be released on Sept. 14, three months early.


    "We have been informed officially about the court decision," al-Shujairi told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "His release will be a victory for the free and honorable Iraqi media."


    Judicial spokesman Abdul-Sattar Bayrkdar said he had no immediate information about the release because it was a weekend.


    Followers of anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who were among the leaders of many of the demonstrations demanding al-Zeidi's release, welcomed the decision to free him early.


    "We believe that al-Zeidi did not commit any crime but only expressed the will of the Iraqi people in rejecting the U.S. occupation," Sadrist lawmaker Falah Shanshal said. "Al-Zeidi's image will always be a heroic one."


    The bizarre act of defiance transformed the obscure reporter from a minor TV station into a national hero to many Iraqis fed up with the U.S. presence.


    Thousands demonstrated for al-Zeidi's release and hailed his gesture. A sofa-sized sculpture of a shoe was erected in his honor in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, but the Iraqi government later ordered it removed.


    Neither leader was injured, but Bush was forced to duck for cover as the journalist shouted in Arabic: "This is your farewell kiss, you dog! This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."


    The case's investigating judge has said the journalist was struck about the face and eyes, apparently by security agents who wrestled him to the ground and dragged him away.


    Al-Zeidi's family has said he was also mistreated while in custody, although the government has denied the allegation.


    "We thank God that he will be released, although we still fear for his safety since he is still in the prison," his brother Dargham said. "He will be released full of pride and strength from all the love he has received from the Iraqi people and international organizations and figures who advocate freedom."


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    I wonder if he was raped in prison?

    Yeah, not surprising. They have to please an awful lot of nutjobs to stay in power. Let him out, he's harmless.

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    I would be a bit more sympathetic if he had had the guts to plead guilty.
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    Bah, I wouldn't even call that assault myself.
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    Its assault, no doubt. He physically threatened him, it doesn't matter whether he actually hit him or not. Assault is the fear of an unwanted touch, it doesn't matter whether it occurred or not.

    People also seem to think that to be assault they have to be in danger of being killed, and thats not the case at all.

    I thought we went through all this when this first happened?
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    "Al-Zeidi's image will always be a heroic one." Yes, the Arab world is very proud of their brave young men fearlessly throwing shoes... but I guess if thats all you have to be proud of, go with it.


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    Kind of a non-issue compared to the Lockerbie bomber. I'm not exactly sure how much jail time one deserves for throwing a shoe at a head of state, but in the end it was not a major issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Kind of a non-issue compared to the Lockerbie bomber. I'm not exactly sure how much jail time one deserves for throwing a shoe at a head of state, but in the end it was not a major issue.
    Exactly, which is why I hardly wouldn't even call it assault myself. I know in technical legal terms it is, but hell it was just more of a ' you' than anything.
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    And if the shoe had a bomb in it, or a sharp object that had caused harm to Bush? Then what?

    It was assault.

    You can dislike Bush as much as you want, but that doesn't condone being nonchalant about an incident like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    And if the shoe had a bomb in it, or a sharp object that had caused harm to Bush? Then what?

    It was assault.

    You can dislike Bush as much as you want, but that doesn't condone being nonchalant about an incident like this.
    But it didn't.

    How much jail time would someone get for throwing (and missing) a shoe at an average person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier
    But it didn't.
    Probable cause still comes into play in terms of the prosecution.

    How much jail time would someone get for throwing (and missing) a shoe at an average person?
    We're not talking about the average person though. We're talking about a Head of State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    And if the shoe had a bomb in it, or a sharp object that had caused harm to Bush? Then what?

    It was assault.

    You can dislike Bush as much as you want, but that doesn't condone being nonchalant about an incident like this.

    If it had a sharp object and hit, all the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adhamh Ashashi
    If it had a sharp object and hit, all the better.
    Be mature enough not to troll if you would please, trying to act macho on the internet isn't very inspiring.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    And if the shoe had a bomb in it, or a sharp object that had caused harm to Bush? Then what?
    Then I will plead extenuating circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry
    Then I will plead extenuating circumstances.
    The prosecution would laugh, then cite the attendant circumstances for aggravated assault. Ending with you still receiving a sentence and going to jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    And if the shoe had a bomb in it, or a sharp object that had caused harm to Bush? Then what?

    It was assault.

    You can dislike Bush as much as you want, but that doesn't condone being nonchalant about an incident like this.
    More like attempted assault. The President took evasive action. Pretty well, too.

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    Again, I really don't believe the shoethrow was anything serious. Not if you use a little common sense.
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    A ing hero, good for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry
    Wait, so you deny that any prosecutor worth his salt would consider lessening the charges due to public sentiment (which is an everyday occurence anywhere in the world), provided absolutely no justification for your own arguments, and then have the gall to accuse me of not knowing criminal law?
    Yes, yes, and....yes.

    There's plenty of justification for why the man was thrown in jail. Pay attention.

    Sure I don't have a Ph.D in Criminal Law, Ballistics, Systems Engineering and International Politics like you did (*snicker*),
    Criminal Law requires a JD, and you can't get Ph.Ds in any of those subjects, one of which isn't even a field.

    but I do know how the public mind works. It's really 90% common sense and 10% "knowing the societal conditions of the country you're talking about", you know.
    None of which is admissible in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker
    Again, I really don't believe the shoethrow was anything serious. Not if you use a little common sense.
    Learn a little about the established precedent of assaults against Heads of State and maybe you'll change your opinion.

    Frankly, I don't really care if you can't understand. The man has already been thrown in jail and served a reasonable amount of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible
    More like attempted assault. The President took evasive action. Pretty well, too.
    M'eh, same category.

    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5
    The gut who assaulted Prince Charles used a gun, slight difference.
    Same charges still apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    There's plenty of justification for why the man was thrown in jail. Pay attention.
    *sigh*

    First of all, no one hear says "he should not be jailed". They said, "he deserves reduced sentence". The whole thread then revolves around the idea whether this is true - did he deserve the reduced jailtime? And why?

    Is this concept too hard for you to grasp?

    None of which is admissible in court.

    So apparently, you have never thought of the possibility that public opinion can influence the behaviour of the judiciary? I mean honestly, are you just trolling me? Because no one can be this s... heltered.
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