China taking over Africa.

[Ebusitanus]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...Y-worried.html

Whilst the Daily Mail is not exactly the most authoritative of sources, this article is not bad.

The empire of China, has already partially colonised Africa and their are now over a million Chinese settlers, working on Chinese owned Africa plantations and mining interests.

Although the Africans are very likely at some point to rebel and try to expel the Chinese. As the Chinese are increasingly playing the Africans off against each other. The smart money here is naturally on the Chinese and not the africans. As all China need do is secure a few ports to launch a invasion. What is more, China as the result of increased urbanization is no longer able to feed it's populous and is now a net importer of agricultural produce. This is why the drought in Australia (exports wheat to China), which caused it's harvest to fail, caused wheat price to sky-rocket last year. In fact the only reason why food price inflation has been temporarily checked is the global economic down turn. As it has forced millions of Chinese migrant workers from rural areas to return to their farms. Beijing is only to aware of the problem is very keen to keep it's horde working in the fields. At least until it's suppliers have increased global wheat production and it devises better ways to manage China's economic growth.

This is also why Europe's agricultural industry has leased vast tracks of arable land in the Ukraine and is currently busy siloing massive qualities of grain. The bulk of which, I assume it intends to export to China. It's also worth noting that the Arab worlds population growth is completely unsustainable and they have also been forced to acquire agricultural interests and are colonising parts of Sudan and East Africa.

[Richard]

They're not going to invade, that's totally absurd. I imagine they use private security contractors to protect their interests there, which are probably leased or owned by the Chinese state as opposed to most Western interests in Africa which are private.

[torongill]

Empires don't have friends, they have interests. But I find it amusing that the British are writing about plunder, sucking dry Africa, etc. It sounds as the kettle calling the pot black. And the British should not be offended that they are reminded of their imperial past. Peoples have long memories. Those who don't, don't last long.

Neither of which would help Africa.

[Ahlerich]

now if each chinese starts to eat twice as much as he usually does the world will starve

[shadyrome]

By Andrew Malone
Last updated at 4:16 PM on 18th July 2008

Sooo last year....

[Bwaho]

interesting... race war between africans and chinese.

[Chukada1]

Ok first of all, no. It's not colonising. What the Chinese are doing is securing trade with the soverign African nations, and then building infrustructure to support growth, which means profits for the Chinese, and jobs for the Africans. Both sides gain from this deal, its very different from the British and French raping African land of resources and keeping it all to themselves. The big difference is that the Chinese deal with the Sudanese government, and other African nations as sovereign states. While the Europeans have this funny tendencey to install puppet regimes and warlords.

Why is it that the African people, including the ones in West Africa prefer to deal with the evil Chinese over the Western Nations? The answer is soveriengty. Something the West likes to toot around on their morally superior high horses, but are just as quick to forget it when dealing with lesser nations. Especially in the 70's era. So China isn't "taking over Africa", its establishing trade, and if people going over seas to work, or immigrate is considered colonialism in your eyes. Then we should kill all the foreigners working in China for trying to "take it over."

Indeed, In Algeria recently the Chinese started a minor riot which obviously being in Algeria populated by Algerian-Arabs resulted in a counter attack, etc. You now how these go...

Personally, I see no problem with the Chinese investing in Africa. Someone has to., and as a capitalist.. I certainly have no problem with my country investing in Africa or anywhere else in the world, including China. And I certainly have no problem with Chinese immigrants in Africa. If anything, Africa needs an injection of foreigners, MANY MANY foreigners to work, invest, manage and administer that god forsaken hell hole into the New age and the 21st century.

The above quote is an example of why Africans prefer to deal with Chinese people.

China as the result of increased urbanization is no longer able to feed it's populous and is now a net importer of agricultural produce. This is why the drought in Australia (exports wheat to China), which caused it's harvest to fail, caused wheat price to sky-rocket last year.

China actually exports grain and rice. That's right, I said export. Among many other foods. So no, China does not have a problem feeding its population, unless its hit with a serious drought, which would affect the world's agricultural production, not just China's. Importing food from other countries is what we call trading. Canada importes oranges from the United States, does that mean we can't feed our growing populous due to urbanization?

[Каие]

The above quote is an example of why Africans prefer to deal with Chinese people.

You claim to know what Africans think?

I would like that statement explained though to get your side of the story, before I get the wrong end of the stick and engage in a foul ill thought out irrational rant.

[Chukada1]

You claim to know what Africans think?

I would like that statement explained though to get your side of the story, before I get the wrong end of the stick and engage in a foul ill thought out irrational rant.

This sums it up quite well.

China wants Africa for primarily its natural resources. There's nothing wrong with that, as China wants natural resources, and Africa's willing to sell them. The "conflict" lies in how China prefers to deal with African nations. China deals directly, and only, with the government in power, and avoids grassroots actors and the local community. Thus, to China, the government represents the country. To many in the West, because the governments are seen as illegitimate, China's dealing with the wrong entities for the countries' resources; China should instead work with the grassroots actors and local communities. China doesn't do that because

A) The ultimate authority of the country lies in the government, not the people
B) It's extremely messy to deal with that many actors when you can deal directly with the government

That's where the conflict of ideas lie.

Common criticisms include that China undermines the West's way of dealing with African governments, which usually takes the format of "Liberalize your economy and democratize or you won't get investment", while China goes "This is a market relationship. You give me this, and I'll give you that", which is basically non-interference. The government of China and the African country likes this as it's quite clear and requires no adjustment. Western NGOs dislike it because China doesn't include preconditions, which China doesn't actually care for. China's mentality is, "That's your country. You take care of it your own way or not at all".

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofi...p/t197420.html

[Каие]

Indeed, In Algeria recently the Chinese started a minor riot which obviously being in Algeria populated by Algerian-Arabs resulted in a counter attack, etc. You now how these go...

Personally, I see no problem with the Chinese investing in Africa. Someone has to., and as a capitalist.. I certainly have no problem with my country investing in Africa or anywhere else in the world, including China. And I certainly have no problem with Chinese immigrants in Africa. If anything, Africa needs an injection of foreigners, MANY MANY foreigners to work, invest, manage and administer that god forsaken hell hole into the New age and the 21st century.

[Dr. Croccer]

No . The French have been doing the same for ages.

[Erik]

It's good for China.
It's good for Africa.
What's the problem?

The Daily Mail is just afraid the Chinese immigrants will "mate" with the Africans and create a "hybrid super race" that is both stronger and more intelligent than the white race.
Africanized Chinese - OH Nooooooos!!!!!

[hellheaven1987]

Remind me a thread in VV regarding how Chinese sexual conquer the South-East Asia...

[Dodge]

It's good for China.
It's good for Africa.
What's the problem?

The Daily Mail is just afraid the Chinese immigrants will "mate" with the Africans and create a "hybrid super race" that is both stronger and more intelligent than the white race.
Africanized Chinese - OH Nooooooos!!!!!

Like Tiger Woods.

[Spamostoc]

General rule of thumb is that nobody likes to see the chinese expand. Though, to be honest, I've never seen an african-chinese before .

[Каие]

Hmm. That's fair enough actually.