wtf is with the experience lvs?

**dougmadman** · August 29, 2009, 04:31 PM

wtf is with the experience lvs? Im playing as the byzantine emp. aroud 1425 with RC/RR with Byg and all that nonsene so its taken me some time to build up 2 full stacks of superior/elite troops in and around Constantinople. My objective is to take back nicea which the turks have held since 1370 (playing the 1370 campaign.) all surrounding provinces belong to either my armies or th the Egyptians(fatimids or whatever).

So when I launch my 2 pronged attack from the north and the south i trap the turk army defending the city fom outside the walls. the city had about a quarter stack left for garrison. now im thinking this is ganna be a piece of cake i have two awesome armies fully upgraded and well balanced to attack from the rear and the front at the same time!!! Come to find out this Turkish army, cut off from all their other provinces is EFFIN LOADED!!! This army has janissary archers heavy infantry body guard calvary(something with a Q) and all of these companies have gold level experience or multiple silver bars of experience! Add that up with a 9 star general which every army i face seems to somehow have and now im the one who is scared

. These guys beat the living

outta my guys like you wouldn't believe. the only way i win is by sheer numbers and tactics alone. thank god i won or my casualties would not have been heeled and even with them healed i sill lost more than half of both my full stacks.

so i take over the city then i noticed another clone turk army just showing up gold bars and all. haven't seen if they attack me yet since writing but i wanted to ask all u guys, is this normal?? where in the blue hell do all these gold bar armies come from? I can hardly ever get a single company to gold bar level??

**Goofy** · August 29, 2009, 04:36 PM

I think it's not normal, but don't know better.

**Warmaster Tibs** · August 29, 2009, 06:03 PM

I have seen the same in both SS and TATW. I honestly have no idea either. I hate it but is does give you a hell of a challange!....which I hate.

**obbob** · August 29, 2009, 06:41 PM

i think its because of the way autoresolve works (which is the only way the AI fights against each other).

If you do autoresolve, you will notice that often the majority of the casualties your army inflicted is usually piled onto one unit. In addition, the casualties you suffered i often either spread out or piled onto one of your unites. As a result, your having single units that apparently are killing thousands of enemies....giving them loads of experience.

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by dougmadman

wtf is with the experience lvs? Im playing as the byzantine emp. aroud 1425 with RC/RR with Byg and all that nonsene

You know that you can switch Byg as in Byg IV off?

**~~OneArmedScissor~~** · August 30, 2009, 07:43 AM

Yeah this is really annoying.
In my French campaign, pretty much every enemy unit I fight against has multiple silver or gold bars and all of the enemy commanders have 7+ stars, etc.

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Yeah this is really annoying.
In my French campaign, pretty much every enemy unit I fight against has multiple silver or gold bars and all of the enemy commanders have 7+ stars, etc.

I dont get it. Byg IV is intended to make things more difficult and it can be deactivated.
Install the remove_byg data and be done with it.

**~~OneArmedScissor~~** · August 30, 2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by bane_tw

I dont get it. Byg IV is intended to make things more difficult and it can be deactivated.
Install the remove_byg data and be done with it.

You don't get it because I never said I wanted it remove hurf durf

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

You don't get it because I never said I wanted it remove hurf durf

I dont get why you are complaing about intended features and here is your red herring

**dougmadman** · August 30, 2009, 08:26 AM

yea i know i can turn Byg IV off but i like it it on even if i didn't sound like i did before

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 09:11 AM

It might help you to modify the cohesive fighting unit trait. With that the ai general basicly heals 70% of his troops - as long as he wins he keeps on snowballing experience to his troops and is ready to go for the next battle

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 10:40 AM

;-------------------Ottoman---Invasion-----------------

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionType turks
and IsFactionAIControlled
and I_TurnNumber = 82

console_command add_money 10000
spawn_army
faction turks
character random_name, named character, age 30, x 272, y 142
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 3 , ReligionStarter 1
unit ME Late Bodyguard exp 9 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahis exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahis exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahis exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahis exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahi Lancers exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahi Lancers exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Sipahi Lancers exp 5 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Archers exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Archers exp 4 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Archers exp 7 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Archers exp 7 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Heavy Inf exp 7 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Heavy Inf exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Heavy Inf exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Heavy Inf exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit Janissary Heavy Inf exp 8 armour 2 weapon_lvl 0
unit ME Halberd Militia exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end

And there you go. Thats why your cookie crumbles...
You can expect about 5 stacks in that magnitude so that might be what you encountered.

**Tomato_Sandwich** · August 30, 2009, 12:19 PM

Is there anyway of changing the ai's 70% recovery rate? i hate it so much...

**bɑne** · August 30, 2009, 12:54 PM

Look in export_descr_character_traits.txt for
"Level Battle_Hardened"
-> Effects BattleSurgery 70
Just change the number to what you are feeling comfortable with. Can't tell right now if it will take effect instantly I'd have to look it up in the traits tutorial.

**dougmadman** · August 30, 2009, 04:39 PM

ohhh so it was scripted armies attacking me that makes alot of sense

i was thinking there was just no way possible for those Turkish bastards to train armies like that outta the blue.

**dougmadman** · August 30, 2009, 07:51 PM

come to think of it someone ought to put a scrip message in the game like when William Wallace emerges only for the random turk armies that spawn.

make it say omfg the turks are invading!!! or something

**Caesar Clivus** · August 31, 2009, 07:04 PM

The AI needs the extra troop healing rate because it cannot retrain units. The AI has no way of bringing it's units back up to full strength after a battle, whereas the player can just move his army to a settlement and retrain. This is one area where the AI needs a helping hand to overcome it's retardedness