World War 2 - the beginning. (The truth and the Russian propaganda)

[Lucas the Great]

On September 1, 2009 we'll commemorate the beginning of the greatest war in the history of humanity. I hope all of You know how the war began: on September 1, 1939 the Germans invaded Poland. After two weeks of heavy fights Poland was stabbed in her back - on September 17 the Soviet Union entered and took control over the eastern regions of Poland (due to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact).
What's more - Poland was left alone by her allies - although Great Britain, France and Poland had signed an alliance, neither GB nor France helped us to fight the Germans.

I think that the things I've just written are obvious for You. But not for all the people. Few days ago Russian officials declared that... Poland was allied with Hitler to destroy the USSR!!! So according to the Russians Poland invaded... herself. I know it's nonsense but they claim so!

On September 1 there will be huge ceremony to commemorate the anniversary in Gdansk (Poland) where the war began. It's almost certain that Mr Putin (who's invited to the ceremony) will accuse Poland of causing the war. So don't get double-crossed by the Russians.

[Akrotatos]

On September 1, 2009 we'll commemorate the beginning of the greatest war in the history of humanity. I hope all of You know how the war began: on September 1, 1939 the Germans invaded Poland. After two weeks of heavy fights Poland was stabbed in her back - on September 17 the Soviet Union entered and took control over the eastern regions of Poland (due to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact).

Stabbed in the back means betrayed. Did S.Union promiss not to attack? (Really asking, I don't know)

What's more - Poland was left alone by her allies - although Great Britain, France and Poland had signed an alliance, neither GB nor France helped us to fight the Germans.

Didn't they declare war on Germany?

I think that the things I've just written are obvious for You. But not for all the people. Few days ago Russian officials declared that... Poland was allied with Hitler to destroy the USSR!!! So according to the Russians Poland invaded... herself. I know it's nonsense but they claim so!

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On September 1 there will be huge ceremony to commemorate the anniversary in Gdansk (Poland) where the war began. It's almost certain that Mr Putin (who's invited to the ceremony) will accuse Poland of causing the war. So don't get double-crossed by the Russians.

Just wait until then?

[Dr. Croccer]

To be frank, the Soviets mainly retook primarily Belorussian and Ukrainian land in eastern Poland which Poland conquered 20 years earlier during the choas of the Civil War.

Not to excuse the current Russian apologism or the appalling treatment of Poland though, of course.

[Lysimachus]

On September 1, 2009 we'll commemorate the beginning of the greatest war in the history of humanity. I hope all of You know how the war began: on September 1, 1939 the Germans invaded Poland. After two weeks of heavy fights Poland was stabbed in her back - on September 17 the Soviet Union entered and took control over the eastern regions of Poland (due to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact).
What's more - Poland was left alone by her allies - although Great Britain, France and Poland had signed an alliance, neither GB nor France helped us to fight the Germans.

I think that the things I've just written are obvious for You. But not for all the people. Few days ago Russian officials declared that... Poland was allied with Hitler to destroy the USSR!!! So according to the Russians Poland invaded... herself. I know it's nonsense but they claim so!

On September 1 there will be huge ceremony to commemorate the anniversary in Gdansk (Poland) where the war began. It's almost certain that Mr Putin (who's invited to the ceremony) will accuse Poland of causing the war. So don't get double-crossed by the Russians.

1. Actually, France invaded Germany and occuped a bit of the Saarland but upon seeing that Poland was going to be defeated they withdrew across the Rhine. Also, constantly being encircled and without orders doesn't constitue heavy fighting. Heavy fighting would be the Poznan and Lodz armies breaking out of their encirclements towards Warsaw (which although failed inflicted heavy losses) and the battle for Warsaw itself.

2. What? I don't remember anyone saying that.

3. What? I think pretty much everyone knows Germany invaded Poland.

[Rodina38]

[Removed]. When did the Russian parliament ever claim Poland started the war?

[Delta228]

[Removed]. When did the Russian parliament ever claim Poland started the war?

Surprisingly, I actually have to agree with you here.

When did the Russians EVER say that?

[Lord Claremorris]

On September 1, 2009 we'll commemorate the beginning of the greatest war in the history of humanity. I hope all of You know how the war began: on September 1, 1939 the Germans invaded Poland. After two weeks of heavy fights Poland was stabbed in her back - on September 17 the Soviet Union entered and took control over the eastern regions of Poland (due to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact).
What's more - Poland was left alone by her allies - although Great Britain, France and Poland had signed an alliance, neither GB nor France helped us to fight the Germans.

For some reason I recall a non-aggression pact being signed between Poland and USSR, though I'm not sure. In any case there was no love lost between the two, it was less than 20 years before that the Red Army tried incoporating Poland into the Soviet Union but was defeated on the Vistula by Pilsudski. As for France and Great Britain supposedly abandoning Poland one has to keep in mind the ideas prevailing in France and Great Britain. First, France was on the defensive, being far less populous than Germany, she could hardly afford to take the offensive, since they believed it would be a repeat of WWI. France's population was already in decline and badly hit by WWI, it was generally agreed among Frenchmen that France could not survive another blood-letting like WWI. Secondly, in Britain's case, there is no huge conscript army like on the Continent, the British have to call up volunteers, train them and organise them, equip them, and finally ship them over. So it is a slow business for large-scale British forces to come into play. But to say the allies did nothing is unfair. They implemented the blockade, as someone mentioned the French invaded the Saarland, and the mere presence of the French made Hitler deploy considerable forces in the West.

I think that the things I've just written are obvious for You. But not for all the people. Few days ago Russian officials declared that... Poland was allied with Hitler to destroy the USSR!!! So according to the Russians Poland invaded... herself. I know it's nonsense but they claim so!

Link maybe? Which Russian official? Was he in the Government? Russians try to make themselves look better no doubt by I seriously doubt they would say something that stupid.

On September 1 there will be huge ceremony to commemorate the anniversary in Gdansk (Poland) where the war began. It's almost certain that Mr Putin (who's invited to the ceremony) will accuse Poland of causing the war. So don't get double-crossed by the Russians.

I'm not so sure. Putin coming to Poland and accusing Poland of starting the war would be bad form indeed. I shouldn't think that most people there would take kindly to that.

[pannonian]

For some reason I recall a non-aggression pact being signed between Poland and USSR, though I'm not sure. In any case there was no love lost between the two, it was less than 20 years before that the Red Army tried incoporating Poland into the Soviet Union but was defeated on the Vistula by Pilsudski.

Don't forget the Polish invasion of Russia that preceded the Russian counter-invasion of Poland. IIRC there may have been other disputes between Poland and their other neighbours as well, so there wasn't much trust sloshing around that part of the world.

[Domen123]

To be frank, the Soviets mainly retook primarily Belorussian and Ukrainian land in eastern Poland

What does "retook" mean? Who gave the Soviets the right to "retook" what did not belong to them and was never their?

Russian historian (Russian - but not pro-communist, blind liar) Vladimir Beshanov in his book "Krasnyj Blickrig" ("The Red Blitzkrieg") on page 27 writes:

"On 18th of March 1921 a treaty was signed in Riga between the Soviet Russia and the "bourgeois-ownershipping" Poland. Bolsheviks who considered themselves as "the victors" acknowledged the new border far to the east from the Curzon line and undertook to pay 10,000,000 golden roubles of contribution. Of course the border of 1921 was marked out by bayonets. And as Russian historians in a fight spirit admit, "the Riga border" lead to the artificial division of Ukrainian and Belarussian nations. The only thing which is not known is why they think that uniting these nations should run only within the boundaries determined by the dreamers from Kremlin? Why not in the boundaries of Rzeczpospolita [Poland] or their own? Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were part of Rzeczpospolita for 220 years (and part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there was such a state, even 400), part of the Russian empire and Austro-Hungarian monarchy for 120 years, part of the USSR - not even one single day."

primarily Belorussian and Ukrainian land in eastern Poland

There was a number of national censuses - Polish censuses say that Poles were majority, Ukrainian censuses say that Poles were minority, etc.

If it comes to the results of different censuses - if they were falsified or not - Russian historian Vladimir Beshanov expressed it in the following words:

"Thirdly, "everyone wants to live": during the times of Pilsudski it was more comfortable to be Polish, during the times of Stalin it was more comfortable to be Belarussian or Ukrainian. Only believers of Judaism were always and for every government simply the Jews and that's why there is no any confusion with them."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

Beshanov about statistics:

"Statistics is an equally interesting science to history. Everyone interprets it on their own terms."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

If it comes to "locals" in Polesie region (mother tongue other or not stated) - Beshanov wrote:

"Representatives of this last group, who when asked "who are you?" were answering "we are locals and our language is local" turned out to number over 700,000. Polish demographers were treating "locals" as not fully developed Poles, Soviet - as polonized Belarussians. In the liberated Pinsk [in 1939] editor of "Poleska Prawda", graduate of Communist Institute of Journalists, M. M. Vaganova brought seven private print shops to bankruptcy, in order to organize one huge Soviet print shop as quickly as possible. On 26.09.1939 she printed the first circulation of "Poleska Prawda" in Belarussian language. Her astonishment was great when it turned out that majority of persons who arrived at the ceremony were not able either to acquaint themselves with the programme speech of comrade Molotov, nor with the orders of military authorities, nor with the remarks of "our correspondents" - because they didn't speak Belarussian."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

[Nikitn]

You know what - that's normal that some POWs are dying in captivity. For example during WW2 around 34,000 German POWs died in French captivity, around 21,000 in British, around 22,000 in American, around 11,000 in Yugoslavian, around 8,000 in other capitivty and around 363,000 in Soviet captivity.

The Soviets couldn't feed their own people during the war. What did you expect? Prioritize German POW's ahead of Soviet civilians, so that people like you couldn't whine?

And about 95,000 of them couldn't be saved anyway. After the Stalingrad POW's came into Soviet captivity, they were mere (diseased) skin and bones

What does "retook" mean? Who gave the Soviets the right to "retook" what did not belong to them and was never their?

Russian historian (Russian - but not pro-communist, blind liar) Vladimir Beshanov in his book "Krasnyj Blickrig" ("The Red Blitzkrieg") on page 27 writes:

"On 18th of March 1921 a treaty was signed in Riga between the Soviet Russia and the "bourgeois-ownershipping" Poland. Bolsheviks who considered themselves as "the victors" acknowledged the new border far to the east from the Curzon line and undertook to pay 10,000,000 golden roubles of contribution. Of course the border of 1921 was marked out by bayonets. And as Russian historians in a fight spirit admit, "the Riga border" lead to the artificial division of Ukrainian and Belarussian nations. The only thing which is not known is why they think that uniting these nations should run only within the boundaries determined by the dreamers from Kremlin? Why not in the boundaries of Rzeczpospolita [Poland] or their own? Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were part of Rzeczpospolita for 220 years (and part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there was such a state, even 400), part of the Russian empire and Austro-Hungarian monarchy for 120 years, part of the USSR - not even one single day."




There was a number of national censuses - Polish censuses say that Poles were majority, Ukrainian censuses say that Poles were minority, etc.

If it comes to the results of different censuses - if they were falsified or not - Russian historian Vladimir Beshanov expressed it in the following words:

"Thirdly, "everyone wants to live": during the times of Pilsudski it was more comfortable to be Polish, during the times of Stalin it was more comfortable to be Belarussian or Ukrainian. Only believers of Judaism were always and for every government simply the Jews and that's why there is no any confusion with them."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

Beshanov about statistics:

"Statistics is an equally interesting science to history. Everyone interprets it on their own terms."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

If it comes to "locals" in Polesie region (mother tongue other or not stated) - Beshanov wrote:

"Representatives of this last group, who when asked "who are you?" were answering "we are locals and our language is local" turned out to number over 700,000. Polish demographers were treating "locals" as not fully developed Poles, Soviet - as polonized Belarussians. In the liberated Pinsk [in 1939] editor of "Poleska Prawda", graduate of Communist Institute of Journalists, M. M. Vaganova brought seven private print shops to bankruptcy, in order to organize one huge Soviet print shop as quickly as possible. On 26.09.1939 she printed the first circulation of "Poleska Prawda" in Belarussian language. Her astonishment was great when it turned out that majority of persons who arrived at the ceremony were not able either to acquaint themselves with the programme speech of comrade Molotov, nor with the orders of military authorities, nor with the remarks of "our correspondents" - because they didn't speak Belarussian."

Beshanov, "Krasnyj Blickrig", p. 142

.... Oh god.

Fact 1: Poland launch an aggressive, land grabbing war against a country that was in the middle of a civil war.
Fact 2: Poland managed to steal allot of land which was pretty much populated by Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Poles and Russians. That land also NEVER was Polish in the first place (Poland controlled it 200 years ago, but then before that it was controlled by Russian/Rutherian nations). So stop throwing that useless argument around.
Fact 3: Poland lost all that land in 1939 (including land they had taken from Czech-Slovakia in their participation of the breaking up of Czech-Slovakia).

Soviet Union was an active accomplice of Germany to the start of WWII by the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and by actively engaging on German side in the defeat of Poland (it was a de facto and de jure ally of Hitler). Europe has nothing to be grateful to Soviet Union for the so called "liberation" from Nazis, because Bolsheviks cared little for the fate of "liberated" peoples. When at last Soviet Union was at last forced to fight Germany, it was not motivated by some noble principles : they fought first for their own survival, then to grab as many territories and countries and enslave them.

It is not black and white. The reason Stalin signed the pact was that:
A. He was piss afraid of Hitler and his war machine.
B. He was piss afraid of the Western Europeans and Hitler pulling a Munich treaty on the USSR itself. And he had good reason as well, considering what the West had done in the Russian civil war.

Also stop whining about Soviet "occupation". If you consider the Warsaw pact as evil as Nazi Germany, you need to educate yourself.

Wow - nice heir who brutally murders his own "father".

But you are wrong - you should know that Lenin was German agent and was sent to Russia to cause revolution there.

So technically Soviet Union was heir of German Empire.

God, why do I even bother? And you call US Russians indoctrinated? LMAO.

Oh, and Poland treated Soviet POW's misrably. Due to the incredibly high death rate in the Polish "POW camps" (far higher then in Soviet POW camps during WW2, so don't try pulling that one at me), they can only be defined as Concentration camps.

[Domen123]

Don't forget the Polish invasion of Russia that preceded the Russian counter-invasion of Poland.

Bla, bla, bla - usual Russian lies. You know what - you really have got some very wise and educated historians in your country (for example mentioned Vladimir Beshanov) - why don't you read their books instead of books by your numerous, biased propagandists. I recommend reading Beshanov's "Krasnyj Blickrig", pages 23 - 28.

On pages 23 - 28 he describes the background to the 1939 Soviet Invasion - so the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1919 - 1921. And he describes how it beginned very well.

The "dreamers from Kremlin" beginned that war, there was no any "Polish invasion and Soviet counter-invasion".

3. What? I think pretty much everyone knows Germany invaded Poland.

[Removed]. When did the Russian parliament ever claim Poland started the war?

Really?

Just check it here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=153736

Some quotations:

Russian Defence Ministry has accessed Poland of being responsible for World War II in an article published on its official web site.

Russia has accused Poland of provoking the outbreak of the Second World War by refusing to accede to the "very modest" demands of Nazi Germany.

By Adrian Blomfield in St Petersburg
Published: 4:58PM BST 04 Jun 2009

The Russian defence ministry posted a potentially inflammatory essay on its website which claimed Poland resisted Germany's ultimatums in 1939 only because it "wanted to obtain the status of a great power".

[pannonian]

Bla, bla, bla - usual Russian lies. You know what - you really have got some very wise and educated historians in your country (for example mentioned Vladimir Beshanov) - why don't you read their books instead of books by your numerous, biased propagandists. I recommend reading Beshanov's "Krasnyj Blickrig", pages 23 - 28.

On pages 23 - 28 he describes the background to the 1939 Soviet Invasion - so the Polish-Bolshevik war of 1919 - 1921. And he describes how it beginned very well.

The "dreamers from Kremlin" beginned that war, there was no any "Polish invasion and Soviet counter-invasion".

British textbooks actually, that also cover how we intervened, as did everyone else, in the Russian civil war. Basically no-one liked the Bolsheviks, so when they were caught up in a war with the Whites, we and everyone else took the opportunity to kick them while they're down. That's how my (British) textbooks describe the wars of the early Soviet Union, and if they're propaganda, they paint a pretty negative picture of my country. But then the UK is pretty comfortable with its perfidious past, so there's no need to constantly portray ourselves in the right.

[Domen123]

Basically no-one liked the Bolsheviks, so when they were caught up in a war with the Whites, we and everyone else took the opportunity to kick them while they're down.

Beshanov clearly writes that Soviets attacked Poland in 1919 first, they even sent a group of communist agents (of course of Polish nationality) lead by Stefan Zbikowski, which was ordered to prepare a revolution there, to cause chaos and gain some Polish followers of Communism before forces of the Red Army could enter Poland.

He also writes (on page 25):

"Scenario of Polish revolution was to be standard - agents had to proclaim the creation of Soviet government in some Polish locality, and then call the Red Army for help."

Beshanov also gives proofs that Bolsheviks wanted to spread their revolution also for such European countries like Germany, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Czech state, etc. - so it is completely true that the battle of Warsaw in 1920 saved Europe. Especially that Communism had many followers in such countries like Italy and Germany. While in Poland Communism had almost no followers - Beshanov even quotes K. Voroshilov who complains that "Polish workers and peasants don't want to cooperate with us".

This is one of reasons while Bolsheviks failed to conquer Poland in 1920 - their "magnificent revolution" had hardly any followers among citizens of this country.

Btw - Pannonian, sorry for my last post but I thought that you are from Russia (I meant biased Russian propagandists of course, not British).

Did S.Union promiss not to attack? (Really asking, I don't know)

Of course it did, as Lord Claremorris already wrote - Poland had a non-agression pact with the USSR. This pact was still valid in 1939.

By suddenly invading Poland without declaring war before, they violated this non-agression pact.

But - anyway - if Polish military leaders had been a bit wiser, they would have predicted this invasion at least several days before it happened.

Soviet preparations for the invasion could be clearly noticed, if only Polish leaders wanted to notice them - but it seems that they didn't.

[Heathen Hammer]

On September 1, 2009 we'll commemorate the beginning of the greatest war in the history of humanity. I hope all of You know how the war began: on September 1, 1939 the Germans invaded Poland. After two weeks of heavy fights Poland was stabbed in her back - on September 17 the Soviet Union entered and took control over the eastern regions of Poland (due to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact).

It was not "stabbed in the back" - simply because Soviet Union did not promise anything, let alone, guaranteeing Polish independence. Also lets not forget, that during Polish aggression of 1919 -1921, Poland has occupied many Soviet lands, so Poland definitely had it coming.

What's more - Poland was left alone by her allies - although Great Britain, France and Poland had signed an alliance, neither GB nor France helped us to fight the Germans.

That is why it was called "strange war".

I think that the things I've just written are obvious for You. But not for all the people. Few days ago Russian officials declared that... Poland was allied with Hitler to destroy the USSR!!! So according to the Russians Poland invaded... herself. I know it's nonsense but they claim so!

Source on Russian officials saying that?

On September 1 there will be huge ceremony to commemorate the anniversary in Gdansk (Poland) where the war began. It's almost certain that Mr Putin (who's invited to the ceremony) will accuse Poland of causing the war. So don't get double-crossed by the Russians.

Poland did not single-handedly cause the war, but it played its part, along with Germany, UK, France and Soviet Union.

[CiviC]

Soviet Union was an active accomplice of Germany to the start of WWII by the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and by actively engaging on German side in the defeat of Poland (it was a de facto and de jure ally of Hitler). Europe has nothing to be grateful to Soviet Union for the so called "liberation" from Nazis, because Bolsheviks cared little for the fate of "liberated" peoples. When at last Soviet Union was at last forced to fight Germany, it was not motivated by some noble principles : they fought first for their own survival, then to grab as many territories and countries and enslave them.

[Lysimachos11]

Soviet Union was an active accomplice of Germany to the start of WWII by the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and by actively engaging on German side in the defeat of Poland (it was a de facto and de jure ally of Hitler). Europe has nothing to be grateful to Soviet Union for the so called "liberation" from Nazis, because Bolsheviks cared little for the fate of "liberated" peoples. When at last Soviet Union was at last forced to fight Germany, it was not motivated by some noble principles : they fought first for their own survival, then to grab as many territories and countries and enslave them.

Noone in WW2 was motivated by noble principles, except from their own point of view. Winning land for the German people is a noble endeavor from German POV, as is the support given to fellow democracies by the UK and French POV. And you misunderstood the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. It wasn't an alliance of any kind, merely a temporary pact that served both nations. Germany wanted German lands in Poland, and Stalin wanted to hold off Hitler until he had his own army in order by appeasing him. Stalin is one of the best examples of a realistic ruler, he probably calculated that war with Poland would bring Germany into war with the Western powers. That way he would win time to prepare for his war with Germany which both he and Hitler knew was coming at some point in time.

It was unfair! Allies didn't declared war on USSR, but did it on Germany!!!

An indication that the so-called nobleness of the Western Allies is merely a fairytale.

[CiviC]

Noone in WW2 was motivated by noble principles, except from their own point of view. Winning land for the German people is a noble endeavor from German POV, as is the support given to fellow democracies by the UK and French POV.

So respect for the borders, independence and sovereignity and democracy of small countries is not noble? There were many countries in interbellum like, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yougoslavia, Baltic countries, that tried to resist to fascism, bolshevism, revisionism, imperialism, etc. of countries like Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Hungary. Who cares about Nazi point of view, history showed it was utterly wrong and such relativism worths nothing (like saying it's wrong to kill but if you put yourself in the shoes of a killer then I guess it's ok).

Great Britain and France are guilty because they were the pillars of Versailles system and they failed to defend it with catastrophic consequences. Their guilt is one by imprudence. Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Hungary, Japan are guilty of I degree crime with clear intent.

[Heathen Hammer]

So respect for the borders, independence and sovereignity and democracy of small countries is not noble?

It may be "noble", but in reality no country would care about it, especially if it goes against its own interests.

There were many countries in interbellum like, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Yougoslavia, Baltic countries, that tried to resist to fascism, bolshevism, revisionism, imperialism, etc. of countries like Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Hungary. Who cares about Nazi point of view, history showed it was utterly wrong and such relativism worths nothing (like saying it's wrong to kill but if you put yourself in the shoes of a killer then I guess it's ok).

I'm not going to justify the occupation as it is, but Poland itself has occupied some of Soviet territories during Russian Civil War. So Soviet union was not merely taking over Poland, but mostly taking its stolen lands back. Of course, I'm not going to say it was completely justified, but military occupation being a common practice back than it is hard to blame Soviet Union for doing that.

Great Britain and France are guilty because they were the pillars of Versailles system and they failed to defend it with catastrophic consequences. Their guilt is one by imprudence. Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Hungary, Japan are guilty of I degree crime with clear intent.

Not Soviet Union - it did not belong to the Axis and it only cooperated with them because there was no choice.

[Domen123]

It may be "noble", but in reality no country would care about it, especially if it goes against its own interests.

I'm not going to justify the occupation as it is, but Poland itself has occupied some of Soviet territories during Russian Civil War. So Soviet union was not merely taking over Poland, but mostly taking its stolen lands back. Of course, I'm not going to say it was completely justified, but military occupation being a common practice back than it is hard to blame Soviet Union for doing that.

Not Soviet Union - it did not belong to the Axis and it only cooperated with them because there was no choice.

Once again I call you to read and respond to my posts.

What "Soviet territories" did Poland "occupy"?!

First of all - these territories were never Soviet before 1939, even for 1 single day. Secondly - these territories were regained, not occupied.

Do you know what were the borders of Poland in 1771, before the first partition?

Not Soviet Union - it did not belong to the Axis and it only cooperated with them because there was no choice.

There are always a lot of choices.

Joseph Stalin's choice was to start the World War II - he is equally responsible for WW2 as Adolf Hitler.

[Odovacar]

Great Britain and France are guilty because they were the pillars of Versailles system and they failed to defend it with catastrophic consequences.

Great Britain and France are guilty because they were the pillars of Versailles system, and the sytem was a failure from the very beginning.

Their guilt is one by imprudence. Germany, Soviet Union, Italy, Hungary, Japan are guilty of I degree crime with clear intent.

You left out Romania and Slovakia.