GOP Fact: Republicans CAN be denied healthcare

**Jabberwock** · August 28, 2009, 04:32 PM

This is the fear-mongering at its finest. I mean, wow.

It's part of this survey the GOP sent out.
To see the rest of the survey: http://washingtonindependent.com/568...th-care-survey

I fear the GOP has lost all intelligence that they can't even properly debate the reform. Instead, they resort to feelings and emotions to garner support. Are they really that anti-intelligence? Why are these people running the GOP?

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · August 28, 2009, 04:42 PM

Lost what intelligence?

**~~The Devil's Sergeant~~** · August 28, 2009, 04:45 PM

I wouldn't put it past democrats to do that. When the government gets control of anything, political parties use that power to reward their constituents and punish their enemies. I see no reason to believe why health care would be any different.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · August 28, 2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant

I wouldn't put it past democrats to do that. When the government gets control of anything, political parties use that power to reward their constituents and punish their enemies. I see no reason to believe why health care would be any different.

Because that's retarded. Way to lose votes.

**~~The Devil's Sergeant~~** · August 28, 2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ferrets54

Because that's retarded. Way to lose votes.

Don't be so naive, it is done all the time. Virtually ever dollar spent in Washington is primarily designed to win votes and elections.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · August 28, 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant

Don't be so naive, it is done all the time. Virtually ever dollar spent in Washington is primarily designed to win votes and elections.

Murdering people is done all the time by political parties...

**PoleCat** · August 28, 2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant

I wouldn't put it past democrats to do that. When the government gets control of anything, political parties use that power to reward their constituents and punish their enemies. I see no reason to believe why health care would be any different.

I hope you're not too serious. As it stands by law medical care can't be denied to anyone in the US regardless of race, religion, or ability to pay. Now sure if you can't pay only the ER will see you but you'll still get treated. Now if this is changed and Republicans are denied health care then I know I'll fight it and so would most of the country. This is a non-issue and just a scare tactic to influence weak minds.

I hope you don't live in some self-imposed conspiracy-laden reality because I guarantee it'll will drive you crazy....

**morteduzionism** · August 28, 2009, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant

I wouldn't put it past democrats to do that. When the government gets control of anything, political parties use that power to reward their constituents and punish their enemies. I see no reason to believe why health care would be any different.

In Iran, Afghanistan and places like that. Denying health coverage? Really?

How exactly would this conspiracy work? How exactly would the Democratic party influence health providers across the nation?

More importantly, since you consider this plausible it implies that the Republicans would do it too.

Personally, I don't think either party would resort to something so outlandish.

...this just shows how pathetic the GOP is. This is like going to a meeting of religious leaders and introducing alien abductions into the conversation.

**MathiasOfAthens** · August 28, 2009, 04:46 PM

These fears are completely unfounded but of course the GOP will spread them. Why, because some coon out there will believe them.

**Rebel Jeb** · August 28, 2009, 05:00 PM

They can do anything they want once they control everything. If they don't like you, why should they would they let you live?

**touchmaster** · August 28, 2009, 05:19 PM

The GOP is trying to get organized and find it's leader..

The democrats were in the same situation as the current republican party in 2000 and 2004.

Don't be so quick to judge.

**~~The Devil's Sergeant~~** · August 28, 2009, 05:26 PM

Please don't think I'm daft, discrimination would be sutble, government doesn't have to know what party you vote for to still pull it off. Politicians know who votes for them, where they live, how much money they make. Inner city - that's democrat, suburbs and countryside - that's republican territory. Money for clinics will flow to the areas that voted for the politician. Poor people vote democrat, upper middle class go republican, of course an insurance subsidy will got right up in to that fuzzy line to where more people are voting republican.

**touchmaster** · August 28, 2009, 05:27 PM

Also, I'm sure the democrats have put out faux information / poll questions like this.

Please, don't think everything is one sided.

**jankren** · August 28, 2009, 06:16 PM

You cant lose something that you dont have in the first place.

**Ulyaoth** · August 28, 2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by jankren

You cant lose something that you dont have in the first place.

Haha, that's so funny and clever, man, who writes your stuff?

**~~The Devil's Sergeant~~** · August 28, 2009, 08:05 PM

If you bothered reading post #10 you can see how it would be done.

The same thing happened with the porkulus bill, states and ditricts that went democrat got a great deal more pork than those that didn't.

**morteduzionism** · August 29, 2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Devil's Sergeant

If you bothered reading post #10 you can see how it would be done. The same thing happened with the porkulus bill, states and ditricts that went democrat got a great deal more pork than those that didn't.

What you described was the normal operating procedure of politicians rewarding constituents.

What the question in the OP implied was that it would be a conspiracy against "GOP voters" by a "Democrat-imposed healthcare rationing system."

Maybe if I squint really hard I could see how the OP question could describe the normal political process, however, that's a mighty peculiar way to phrase it.

One other thing,

Inner city - that's democrat, suburbs and countryside - that's republican territory.

Not the suburbs of Washington, DC. In other words that's anecdotal.

Money for clinics will flow to the areas that voted for the politician. Poor people vote democrat, upper middle class go republican,

Not in the last presidential election where Obama won across all demographic lines except older white men. Regardless, this is anecdotal also.

of course an insurance subsidy will got right up in to that fuzzy line to where more people are voting republican.

So let me get this straight.

Since "political parties use that power to reward their constituents and punish their enemies," and since "poor people vote Democrat" Republicans had been punishing "poor people" between the years 1994-2006?

Is that really how you see the world?

Do you really believe that politicians, specifically Democrats, are that vindictive and spiteful?

I don't know what the saying is but there's something about seeing in other's what you see in yourself. If you see people as being that spiteful and vindictive...

**morteduzionism** · August 29, 2009, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by PoleCat

Politicians are people like any other and when you combine huge egos with power then, yes, you can get people who will use their power to be vindictive and spiteful. That's one truth about his earlier post.

For example here in California we just had a problem with veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan being denied compensation for college through the GI bill because of the way California law interprets the definition of tuition. It was a minor bureaucratic mistake that should have been quickly adjusted at the Federal level. But because of the general hostility that most Californians had to the previous administration there was a "difficulty" changing the regulations on the Federal side until the current administration started. It was nothing more than a few words that needed to be changed but it couldn't/wouldn't be done until a friendlier regime took over in D.C. It took a number of politicians to fix it and it was unfortunate that our veterans were the hostages in this little pissing match.

I just happen to think that his fear is a bit overblown. While it is a real problem there will always be this kind of BS in politics unless we collectively elect people that will put aside partisanship and actually get work done together. And that will happen right after doctors find a cure for stupid....

I see this as a somewhat different circumstance.

I agree that politicians can inadvertently hurt demographic groups with their tit-for-tat attitude.

However, the OP question implies that there would be an organized effort to discriminate against "GOP voters." Eventhough the results were the same I don't think, at least I'm hoping, any of the involved politicians in your example had it in the front of their minds to stick it to veterans.

What the OP implies is tantamount to the creation of Jim Crow Laws based on party affiliation instead of ethnicity.

**Winter** · August 28, 2009, 08:25 PM

Considering they have by some miracle managed to strip this healthcare reform effort of the teeth it should have had, this move is clearly a step too far. And a stupid one at that.