Goryeo - Unit Previews & Roster Development

[Yelü Dashi]

A new thread as the old one was too confusing. Once our Korean researchers have decided on a final roster I will delete this post and any others that do not relate to it. It's too difficult searching through threads to match up pics with unit descriptions if I am texturing the units.

[tokimitsu]

I re-aranged and edited the Unit Roster a little.
Goryeo bagan to use Gunpowder from 1350's AD
So Ju-hwa Infantry Unit did not exited until 1280 AD, so I deleted this Unit.
And I changed Light Cavalry to Archer Cavalry. So Lancer was changed to Gak-Gung Bow.

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Infantry

Tier 1: Long Spear men
Primary Weapon: Long Spear (3~4m)
Secondary Weapon: short Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: metal scale coat armor
Additional Armor: iron war helmet

Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men
Primary Weapon: short Hwan-Do
Secondary Weapon: hatchet
Primary Armor: large Round shields, chain mail coat with some metal scales
Additional Armor: Helmets

Tier 3: Iron Hammer men
Primary Weapon: Iron Hammer
Secondary Weapon: short Hwan-do
Primary Armor: A Round Shield & Full Metal-scale Armor
Additional Armor: helmets
Notes :
*Use Iron Hammer mainly to crush the enemy's armor

Tier 4: Do-Bang Royal Guardsmen
Primary Weapon: Wol-Do or Hyeop-Do
Secondary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bows and short Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: metal-scale armors
Additional Armor: war helmets
Notes:
*Intermediate unit between Missile and Hand-to-hand fight infantry

Tier 5: Imperial Guardsmen
Primary Weapon: Wol-Do or Axe
Secondary Weapon: long Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: plate Armors with some metal scales
Additional Armor: War helmets



Missile

Tier 1: Militia
Primary Weapon: Wooden Bow (Not Compound bow)
Secondary Weapon: Long Hwan-Do(80cm) or small flail
Primary Armor: Minimal leather lamellar or chain mail
Additional Armor: None

Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers
Primary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bows, Arrows
Secondary Weapon: Short Hwan-do(Sword)
Primary Armor: Chain mail coat
Additional Armor: Iron helmets
Notes:
*Gak-Gung is Compound Bows (valid range:205m, maximum range:300m)

Tier 3: Soe-Noe Cross Bowmen
Primary Weapon: cross bow or repeating cross bow
Secondary Weapon: short Hwan-do
Primary Armor: One-piece coat Chain mail with some metal(or leather) scales
Additional Armor: helmets

Tier 4: Ae-Gi-Sal Archers
Primary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bows & Normal arrows, Short arrows(Pyeon-Jeon)
Secondary Weapon: Long Hwan-Do(Sword)
Primary Armor: Pavise
Secondary Armor: Chain mail coat with metal scales
Additional Armor: Iron helmets
Notes :
*Longer range than Gak-Gung Archer (valid range:310m, maximum range 457.2m(500yards))
*Slower Reloading than Gak-gung archer
*When moving, carrying the shield with two hands
*Intermediate unit between Missile and Hand-to-hand fight infantry




Cavalry

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry
Primary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bow
Secondary Weapon: Short Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: Chain mail
Additional Armor: Helmet
Notes:
*Be able to do Parthian Shot when fleeing

Tier 2: Shin-Gi Cavalry
Primary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bow
Secondary Weapon: Lance, short Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: Chain mail coat with full metal scales
Additional Armor: Helmets
Notes:
*Fundamentally Archer Cavalry

Tier 3: Gae-ma Cavalry
Primary Weapon: Lance
Secondary Weapon: Long Hwan-Do
Primary Armor: full metal scale armors
Additional Armor: helmets
Notes:
*Lancer Cavalry & Full metal Scale Armors even to Horses just like Kataphraktoi




Machine

Tier 1: Geom-Cha
*Pushing Wagon with fixed 7~9 Spears
*Bronze shield is fixed
*Strong to Cavalry units

Tier 2: Mobile traction Trebuchete
*Trebuchet firing molten iron bombs or rocks
*Used in Seige warfare
*Can be transfered with its wheels

Tier 3: Pal-Woo No
*Artillery machine with 3 super Bows using huge Arrows
*Long range(400~500m) and fly straight with superb penestration power to heavy armored units and in seige warfare
*Take long time to reload and need cattle power to rewind

[tokimitsu]

The Roster about what units can be recruited in each Military complex Level.

Colored units are newly recruited in each level.

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Level 1 Military Complex (Training Lot)

Tier 1: Militia




Level 2 Military Complex (Drill Square)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen

Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers




Level 3 Military Complex (Barracks)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen
Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men

Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry

Tier 1: Geom-Cha




Level 4 Military Complex (Military Facility)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen
Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men
Tier 3: Iron Hammer men


Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers
Tier 3: Soe-Noe Cross Bowmen

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry

Tier 1: Geom-Cha
Tier 2: Mobile traction Trebuchete




Level 5 Military Complex (Military Complex)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen
Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men
Tier 3: Iron Hammer men
Tier 4: Do-Bang Royal Guardsmen

Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers
Tier 3: Soe-Noe Cross Bowmen

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry
Tier 2: Shin-Gi Cavalry

Tier 1: Geom-Cha
Tier 2: Mobile traction Trebuchete




Level 6 Military Complex (Large Military Complex)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen
Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men
Tier 3: Iron Hammer men
Tier 4: Do-Bang Royal Guardsmen
Tier 5: Imperial Guardsmen

Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers
Tier 3: Soe-Noe Cross Bowmen
Tier 4: Pyeon-Jeon Archers

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry
Tier 2: Shin-Gi Cavalry
Tier 3: Gae-ma Cavalry

Tier 1: Geom-Cha
Tier 2: Mobile traction Trebuchete





Level 7 Military Complex (Grand Military Complex)

Tier 1: Long Spearmen
Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men
Tier 3: Iron Hammer men
Tier 4: Do-Bang Royal Guardsmen
Tier 5: Imperial Guardsmen

Tier 1: Militia
Tier 2: Gak-Gung Archers
Tier 3: Soe-Noe Cross Bowmen
Tier 4: Pyeon-Jeon Archers

Tier 1: Archer Cavalry
Tier 2: Shin-Gi Cavalry
Tier 3: Gae-ma Cavalry

Tier 1: Geom-Cha
Tier 2: Mobile traction Trebuchete
Tier 3: Pal-Woo No

[tokimitsu]

Tier 2: Paeng-Bae Shield men

Primary Weapon: short Hwan-Do

Secondary Weapon: hatchet

Primary Armor: large Round shields, chain mail coat with some metal scales

Additional Armor: Helmets

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This illustration was made by illustrater ID xman1717 in Korean military cafe.

The shield's diameter is 63cm, more bigger than you see in illustration upside.

So it woud proper to enlarge the Shield.
Real Paeng-Bae(Shield) here

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Short Hwan-Do (about 60cm's long)

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hatchet
Two designs

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[Yelü Dashi]

I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but what evidence is there for the Hang-wa Monks as a military unit in Goryeo ? I find it hard to believe Buddhist monks would be able to afford to wear scale armour even if they did fight. Did they bear any resemblance to the Japanese Sohei ?

[tokimitsu]

I am sorry if this has been discussed already, but what evidence is there for the Hang-wa Monks as a military unit in Goryeo ? I find it hard to believe Buddhist monks would be able to afford to wear scale armour even if they did fight. Did they bear any resemblance to the Japanese Sohei ?

A.D.1107, General Yun-Gwan organized Byeol-Mu-Ban(別武班) including Shin-bo Infantry, Shin-gi Cavalry and Hang-Ma Monk Worrior. These Byeol-Mu-Ban Units were organized to fought against Jurchens who founded Jin Dynasty later.
170 thousands soldiers of Byeol-Mu-Ban conquered Manchria in A.D.1108 and won victories in battles for 1 years, expanding Goryeo territory to southern Manchuria.
but after A.D.1115 Jin Dynasty founded, Goryeo had to return back Manchria territory because of Jin's diplomatic pressure and financial exhaustion.

Hang-Ma did wear the scale armor to charge the enemy. They are said to used Wol-Do just kile Naginata of Japan, as you know. Also used Bows as Archer in Historic recordinf focuments. But there is no images or illustration in Korea. This is problem.
Problem to me as a researcher, too.

Goryeo Monk Worriors bear some resemblances to the Japanese Sohei in the way of protecting safety, fortunes, farms of Temples. Both are Protecter of Temple Economy of Goryeo and Japan.

But different point is here;

Goryeo Hang-ma Worriors were enrolled in Official National Force such as Byeol-Mu-Ban,
But
Japanese Sohei were simply an unofficial unit in Heian Jidai of Japan, became rebels frequently.
Sohei was completely unofficial and exclusive soldiers only for Temple's profit.

[tokimitsu]

Tier 2: Long Spearmen

Primary Weapon: Long Spear (3~4m)

Secondary Weapon: shot Hwan-Do

Primary Armor: metal scale coat armor

Additional Armor: iron war helmet

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This illustration was made by illustrater ID xman1717, my fellow in Korean military Cafe.
Edited by tokimitsu

Please Change the helmet A to the Helmet B

because Helmet A is Joseon's, not Goryeo's.

B is same as Goryeo's

edit: The prominent color of long spearmen's armor is light yellow just like this.
The design of this armor is same as the armor the spearman is wearing

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[tokimitsu]

Tier 3: Do-bang Royal Guardsmen

Primary Weapon: Wol-Do or Hyeop-Do

Secondary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bows and short Hwan-Do

Primary Armor: metal-scale armors

Additional Armor: war helmets

Notes:
*Intermediate unit between Hand-to-hand fight infantry and Missile


Images below are the ceremony of changing the guards of early Joseon.
But on the assumption that Full arm of Shin-bo Infantry and that of early Joseon's Guards are same,
I offer these images.

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backside

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Full Arms

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Armor
The color is Red

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Inside armor, many Metal scales are fixed like this below
Do not pay attention to the color of armor(light yellow) in the illustration

Wol-Do (Moon blade)

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Arows and Quiver

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How to hang Quiver to Armor

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Gak-Gung bow and Quiver

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[tokimitsu]

Do-bang Royal Guardmen's

Boots and Belt, Hyeop-Do

[Yelü Dashi]

Ok, toki there seems to be decent evidence they were real. But I am worried you have got your dates wrong.

A.D.1179, General Yun-Gwan organized Byeol-Mu-Ban including Shin-bo Infantry, Shin-gi Cavalry and Hang-Ma Monk Worrior. These Byeol-Mu-Ban Units were organized to fought against Manchurians who founded Jin Dynasty later

I think you mean 1079 AD It was under the ruler Sukjong that Yun Gwan raised his army to face the Jurchens. But AUH starts in 1180, one hundred years later. Don't you think we need represent the private armies and special units of military dictatorship that was already in place at this time ?

For example what about the Tobang and The Sambyeolcho - they both were crucial in keeping the Choe family in power at the time.

[tokimitsu]

Ok, toki there seems to be decent evidence they were real. But I am worried you have got your dates wrong.




I think you mean 1079 AD It was under the ruler Sukjong that Yun Gwan raised his army to face the Jurchens. But AUH starts in 1180, one hundred years later. Don't you think we need represent the private armies and special units of military dictatorship that was already in place at this time ?

For example what about the Tobang and The Sambyeolcho - they both were crucial in keeping the Choe family in power at the time.

Yah, I overlooked that typo. It's not 1170 but A.D.1107.
And Byeol-Mu-Ban was not Private Army.
Yun-gwan began to serve the war in 1107.

Sambyeolcho is private Army before and after Mongolian Invasion(13th C.)
and that didn't represented the branches of Goryeo Army.

Tobang is also the name of private army group or name of command post.
That didn't represented the branche's name of Goryeo Army, either.
There are a lot of Units(branches) of army in Sambyeolcho & Tobang.


As you say it was true that they both were crucial in keeping the Choe family in power at the time.

but sorry to say that Tobang or Sambyeolcho etc. are not matched to Unit's name.
And there is no record about What branches(Units) are there in Tobang and Sambyeolcho
because they are Choe family's private army groups.
Only by both, not able to organize the Units. I think so.


Byeol-Mu-Ban has been vanished before A.D.1180 when AUH begins, but it is assumed that the branche's name of Shin-bo, Shin-gi, Hang-Ma would existed.

And Shin-bo, Shin-gi, Hang-Ma are very familiar to Koreans.

[Yelü Dashi]

ok, thanks for the clarification. the visual references are looking good and comprehensive. Broke my own rule of making this a non-discussion thread ! Anyway, we can transfer to the wiki once its completed.

[tokimitsu]

@Yalu
Is it Okay that Roster organized by 12 Army & 3 machinery as I re-arranged?

I don't know about that of other factions.

[tokimitsu]

Tier 4: Imperial Guardsmen

Primary Weapon: Wol-Do or Axe

Secondary Weapon: long Hwan-Do

Primary Armor: plate Armors with some metal scales

Additional Armor: War helmets

Note :
*Wield primary weapons with two hands


Image in Drama
Copy the Color & Patterns of armor and helmet in this image 1.

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Soulder armor decoration's color should be Dark Siver.


Armor illustration

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Wol-Do

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Axe

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Boots

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Belt
This belt is suposed to be put around on A(Wide waist binder in Image 1 and armor illustration)
to hang on Hwan-Do to armor

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(Long) Hwan-do : about 80cm's long

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How to hang Hwan-do to belt

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[S-te-Fan]

I think I can start doing stuff on my own.

[Yelü Dashi]

I think I can start doing stuff on my own.

great. looking forward to texturing them all !

edit: @toki is there any particular colour scheme that fits for Goryeo ? There are many different colours in the images you've presented, but did certain troops have one colour more predominant than others ?

[tokimitsu]

great. looking forward to texturing them all !

edit: @toki is there any particular colour scheme that fits for Goryeo ? There are many different colours in the images you've presented, but did certain troops have one colour more predominant than others ?

Yes, I'd like to say about predominent colors. You did point out my my wish well.

Long Spearmen's armor would be light yellow like this below

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Shape of armor would be good as man wearing in illustration.






And Imperial Guardsmen's armor would be black or gray just like Image 1(Image of Drama)

I posted Amor illustration only for Shape of armor, not for colors.

Attention; plz change shoulder armor decoration to B

[tokimitsu]

Tier 3: Ae-Gi-Sal Archers

Primary Weapon: Gak-Gung Bows & Normal arrows, Short arrows(Pyeon-Jeon)

Secondary Weapon: Long Hwan-Do(Sword)

Primary Armor: Pavise

Secondary Armor: Chain mail coat with metal scales

Additional Armor: Iron helmets

Notes :
*Longer range than Gak-Gung Archer (valid range:310m, maximum range 457.2m(500yards))
*Slower Reloading than Gak-gung archer
*When moving, carrying the shield with two hands
*Intermediate unit between Missile and Hand-to-hand fight infantry

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With Pavise

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This illustrations are made by xman1717
Ae-gi-sal Archers are very specialized archers. So in fact, it takes 5~6 years to recruit this unit.
Ae-gi-sal(means baby arrow) and Pyeon-jeon indicate same thing, small arrow.

How to Aim

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Notice : Plz ignore the feature of this man, helmet, Armor, cloth, etc.
Pay attention to the weapons(Pyeon-jeon, Tong-A), how to hang Quivers, and how to fire Pyeon-jeon(Small arrow)

Bow and Arrows with twin Quivers for long & short arrows
Bow and long Arrows are same as those of Gak-Gung Archer
Also uses Horn ring for the thumb or Archer's Thimble (Kak-Ji)

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Pyeon-jeon(Short Arrow) : valid range 310m, maximum range 457.2m(500yards)
Longer range than normal arrow
Normal(long) arrow: 85cm's long / Pyeon-jeon: 27cm's long

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Using a slander bamboo tube (Tong-A) to fire the Pyeonjeon

How to fire Pyeon-Jeon
Please look at these clips (especially 1st one)
http://jeongbyeon.culturecontent.com...0614d33130.wmv

http://flvs.daum.net/flvPlayer.swf?vid=ibuHTWpR47g$

enjoy clips about Pyeon-Jeon (take a view after time of 3:30)
http://flvs.daum.net/flvPlayer.swf?vid=71d94QsQRiA$



Why Pyeon-jeon and fly longer than long arrow ?

Reason 1 : rare air-resistance because light and short
Reason 2 : So very fast that enemy can't see flying trace

So, It is said that Pyeon-jeon was more fatal than other normal arrows.
Tong-A is not fired as you can see in clips,
so archer decieve enemy into thinking that arrow was not fired.
Quote historical record;

Because Tong-A was not fired, enemies are still gazing the archers until Pyeon-Jeons quietly fly over and penetrate their bodies.

[tokimitsu]

Tier 4: Supreme Pyeon-Jeon Archers


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[tokimitsu]

Tier 3: Pal-Woo No

*Artillery machine with 3 super Bows using huge Arrows

*Long range(400~500m) and fly straight with superb penestration power to heavy armored units and in seige warfare

*Take long time to reload and need cattle power to transfer

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A miniature of Pal-woo-no


Almost same as Sangong of Song faction