[Strat Map Wonders Discussion] Minamoto Clan

[Wundai]

Hey Folks,

Asking the help of researchers our team has, and the ones we are about to have.

The Minamoto Clan faction needs some Eye-Catcher buildings for the Strat Map.

Something has already been done for this faction, I am sure, at least the city models.
of of other buildings I would have to say I am unaware, still we need more

Could the Research Department please provide us with pictures and names of Buildings that are:

-Eye Catchers(Special).
-From the Period of our mod. (around 1171 A.D.)
-Bigger format pictures than 640x480 please.
-There is no limit to the number of pictures, just when it becomes to much of a picture spam fest it might be better to give links to websites
-Spoiler Tags will come in handy
-Another thing which is very important is the location of the wonder. We don't want wonders to be packed in one area, while the rest remains empty, if you could find a map of the faction(country) and mark the wonder's location with a dot, that would be great.

Thanks are extended in advance, but may be repeated after your posts as well

[KR153]

Iwashimizu Hachiman-gu was the tutelary shrine of the Minamoto (Genji) clan. Hachiman was the Shinto god of war and god of archery.
The author of The Confessions of Lady Nijo also belonged to the Minamoto clan. In 1273, she visited the shrine to pray for her father's soul, and in 1291 - by then a nun - she visited again and ran into her former lover, Retired Emperor Go-Fukakusa
This temple was founded in 1063 by Minamoto Yoriyoshi as a branch of Iwashimizu Hachimangu in Kyoto. It was originally located in Tsurugaoka near the Yuigahama coast, but was moved to the present location in 1180 by Minamoto Yoritomo to make it the core of the planned city of Kamakura. After being destroyed by a fire in 1191, the temple was rebuilt with the present layout. The view from Hongu, the main building of the temple, of the Kamakura city along the Wakamiya Oji street is magnificent.
It is placed south of Yokohama at the top of the peninsula.

[KR153]

Mount Fuji is not only the highest point in Japan, but is a symbol of the country which has been used in countless pieces of artwork. Fuji is an active stratovolcano, but has not erupted since 1707. Approximately 200,000 people climb Mount Fuji each year, and visiting Mount Fuji is a popular destination for tourists. On a clear day, the summit of Mount Fuji can be seen from Tokyo.(Which barely existed in our timeframe)

[Wundai]

Actually a pretty good idea IMO, making Mt Fuji a Wonder location.
Like any mountain/vulcano it should have vertile grounds in the surrounding area, no?
Which could be a resource coming from the wonder's location?

I'm not sure though if B.Ward has done anything to Mt. Fuji on our map yet?

What is the general thought of this, Chris, Alex?

[Augustus Lucifer]

B. Ward isn't currently actively working on the map, he's had a computer snafu and is taking a break from modding. But no, nothing has been done concerning it.

[tokimitsu]

Kamakura Great Statue of Budda
in city of Kamakura

Built in 1252 AD

height : 13.4m, weight : 121ton

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[tokimitsu]

Temple of Zenko(善光) (Zenko-ji)
in Nagano

Built in 621 AD

The largest temple in East Japan

This temple is the sight of place where Japanese people dream to visit sometime in life.

It was built to enshrine Budda Statue granted by Baek-che, a kingdom of southern Korea(1st century BC~7th century AD).

In ancient time, Korea & Japan is blood-brotherly nation each other.
The many people in southern Korean peninsula conquered or migrated to Japanese islands and made the power in ancient Japan,
just like as the Anglo-Saxens in northern Germany invaded British island and established their Kingdoms in Britain.

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The main Hall
Height : 30m
Width : 24m
Length : 54m




Backside of the structure


Other Buildings in the temple

Location on the map
Nagano (Red spot)

[Wundai]

Oh no another Buddha Statue

Temple looks nice though

[Yelü Dashi]

I can try and do the statue, as long as its warranted.

[Wundai]

Hmmm, well from my point of view, I think we have quite enough Buddha Statues already.
Concept does get old after I while I think, same with temples actually.
Would be better if we really had some buildings that stood out during the time, buildings that truly "show what the faction is all about in culture,architecture and more"
Example: (The Great Wall)

Oh btw Alex, could you respond to my PM about the Jin Wall Pictures?
and
Could we have a chat about the number of Strat Wonders per Faction we both want?

Thanks

[tokimitsu]

@Wundai

I think there is no more Wonders in East Japan(Minamoto's territory)

And 'Kamakura Great Statue of Budda' is most typical structure of the Kamakura Era.

Although it would be monotonous that you already have enough Budda statue Wonders,

sorry to say that there is no way.

Buddism is the mostly prominent religion at that time in East Asia,
so the each Buddism Wonders would seem to be similar to Western people.

Especially, the structures in China & Korea & Japan would seem to be very similar to European people.

Because these 3 nations have been in the same civilization area from ancient time to now on.

[Wundai]

Hmm so there's no other wonders... not even castles?(Shiro)

[tokimitsu]

Sorry to say that there were no Shiro(城)s in Japan at that time..........

[tokimitsu]

Hmm so there's no other wonders... not even castles?(Shiro)

Until the 13th century in Japan, there weren't visible castles except the low stone barriers or wooden fences.

The famous castles such as Himeji, Nijo, Osaka, Nagoya Castles etc. were built in 16th century of Sengoku Jidai(The Era of the Great civil war)

Why Japanese didn't build the catsle until the 13th century?

Because Japan had been isolated from East-Asian Continent in military terms by the 13th century AD, before Mongolian Invasion.

Before Mongolian Invasion, there was no Group tactics even in battle.
One to one tactics was the battle style of Samurais.
(At this time, Samurais hardly wielded their Katanas in the battle.
They mainly fought with Bows and Arrows just like this illustration below.)

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The typical Samurai in Medieval Japan was the Archer Cavalry, not Katana-wielding Samurai
The stereotype of Katana-wielding Samurai was made after Sengoku Jidai Era in 16th century

Even in Genpei War(Taira vs.Minamoto) of the 12th century, there was no siege battle, either.

Although within 200 years after Mongolian Invasions, Japanese didn't constructed noticeable castles.

But,
15th century of Civil War forced Japanese people to construct the castles or fortresses.
In Civil war of 15th century, Group tactics began to used,
and Ashigaru(light Infantrymen) began to play active parts.
Group tactics influenced the construction of the Castles(Shiro) in Medieval Japan.

So, there were no visible castle(Shiro) in Medieval Japanese Islands of 12th~13th century.

Of course, the cities were not surrounded by the barriers or Castles.
All of the Japanese cities were opened at that time.

[RollingWave]

but wouldn't castles be like.. in the settlement?

[Wundai]

Ok thanks, very interesting as Japan always is to me

A shame about the Shiro, would have liked making a 5th Japanese Castle

By the way Rollingwave castles didn't always have to exist in Settlements right?
What about Mountain Castles?

(I'll add the Buddha Statue)

@KR153: Added Hachiman-Gu Temple

Also I asked Yelü Dashi to take a look at this thread, concerning Mount Fuji to be made a wonder, I think its a really good idea, now lets see what he thinks