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    'Win One for Teddy,' Say Dems Pushing for Health Reform

    Democrats are hoping that the memory of Sen. Ted Kennedy will revive the Democratic Party's flagging push for health care reform.

    "You've heard of 'win one for the Gipper'? There is going to be an atmosphere of 'win one for Teddy,'" Ralph G. Neas, the CEO of the liberal National Coalition on Health Care, told ABC News.

    Democrats are hoping that Kennedy's influence in death may be even stronger than it was when he was alive as they push for President Obama's top domestic priority. Democratic officials hope that invoking Kennedy's passion for the issue will counter slippage in support for heatlh care reform.

    "Ted Kennedy's dream of quality health care for all Americans will be made real this year because of his leadership and his inspiration," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in a statement.

    Pelosi's sentiment was echoed by former vice president Al Gore who served with Kennedy in the Senate.

    "Ted would want nothing more than for his colleagues to continue his life's work and to make real his dream of quality health care for all Americans," said Gore.

    To infuse Kennedy into the health-care debate, Democrats are planning to affix the former senator's name to the health-care legislation that emerges from Congress.

    The idea of naming the legislation for Kennedy has been quietly circulating for months but was given a new push today by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the only person who served with Kennedy for all his 47 years in the Senate.

    "In his honor and as a tribute to his commitment to his ideals, let us stop the shouting and name calling and have a civilized debate on health care reform which I hope, when legislation has been signed into law, will bear his name for his commitment to insuring the health of every American," Byrd said.

    Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., a member of the Senate Health, Education and Labor Pensions Committee chaired by Kennedy, has been the panel's point person on health-care reform in Kennedy's absence. Today Dodd said that he hopes Kennedy's death will revive a spirit of bipartisanship.

    "Maybe Teddy's passing will remind people again, we are there with a job to do," said Dodd on a conference call with reporters.

    Throughout this summer's health-care debate, Republicans who have worked with Kennedy in the past have said that his absence has been felt in the current debate.

    "It's huge that he's absent, not only because of my personal affection for him, but because I think the health care reform might be in a very different place today," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday.

    Despite personal tributes to Kennedy made by Republicans like Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch who recorded a song in his memory, there have been no tangible signs that Kennedy's death will prompt the GOP to meet the Democrats half way on health-care reform.

    "The Left is exploiting him – his death and his legacy – and they are going to do it, as predicted, to push health care through," conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh told his listeners today.

    "No matter where you watch television today – even if you turn on FOX – you are going to get the syrupy - everything they say is going to be predictable: let's put aside our differences for today and respect the great work and achievements of Sen. Kennedy," Limbaugh added. " I am going to vomit and puke all over everyone with this analysis today."

    Conservatives for Patients Rights, a group which has been on television for months trying to defeat a government insurance option, announced today that it was halting "indefinitely" its television ad campaign. The group's spokesman, however, told ABC News that it expects to return to the airwaves following Kennedy's burial.

    Given the depth of differences between the parties on health-care reform, as well as the belief on the part of conservatives like the Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes that the GOP has benefited from a strategy of "pure opposition" to Obama, the real question raised by Kennedy's death is whether it can help rally fellow Democrats who have wavered on certain aspects of health-care reform such as a public insurance option.

    "The real question is what lesson do they take from it?" asked ABC's Cokie Roberts, a long-time Capitol Hill watcher, during an appearance today on ABCNews.com's "Top Line." "Do they take the lesson of the actual Ted Kennedy, the man who would probably be saying at this point, 'Let's just get a bill . . . we can add to it later. We can worry about a public option and all of that stuff later. Let's just do something that helps a whole lot of people now and then we can add to it.'"

    "The other lesson they might take," she added, "is to go with the liberal lion and say, 'Oh, we can't compromise at all in which case they could easily end up with no bill."

    ABC News' Jacqueline Klingebiel, David Chalian, Rick Klein, Jonathan Karl and Elizabeth Gorman contributed to this report.
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    He only died a few hours ago and dems have already using his death for political gain. Wonders of Politics.

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    What the did you say about me?

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    What the did you say about me?
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    Brilliant Dems, Brilliant, my hats off to you guys. I didn't think you had the balls.
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    Wait until his funeral/memorial where they will turn it into Paul Wellstone II affair no doubt. They want to push health care reform? Go for it the people want it but better be pushing what people want and not the crap they have been talking about, no dead Kennedy is going to make the public suddenly go "doh lets support this".

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    No better way to kill a dying bill than Wellstone II.

    The dems could use this to cut the town hall meetings off and calm the jumpy Senators as the media and populace brace for an agonizing week of coverage of this guys death but ohhhh no. I garantee you they keep this in the forefront tying healthcare around teddy's neck.
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    Well it didn't take them long to make use of his death.

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    for all we know they might have helped him out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.A. View Post
    for all we know they might have helped him out...
    Reid: health care reform is dead! what are we to do?
    Obama: what I think is that..
    Pelosi: SILENCE FOOL, he was addressing me now let me think...
    Obama: but uh Nancy
    *the Queen glares angerily*
    Obama: er I mean your majesty we just have to make concessio
    Pelosi: DO NOT UTTER SUCH A WORD IN MY PRESENCES I know what we are going to do...YOU
    *Queen points at Barney Franks*
    Franks: uh..uh...uh...y-y-y-es uh uh my uh queen?
    Pelosi: You will KILL Ted Kennedy, with his death we shall have the distraction we need to pass my reform
    Obama: wait, you want to murder...
    Pelosi: I SAID SILENCE
    Franls: my er uh uh uh um queen just how er uh um am i suppose to er uh do it
    *Queen smiles*
    Pelosi: simply my poor, stupid Franks you just go visit him and keep talking to him until the sound of your annoying voice kills him. THIS I COMMAND, now you Reid, rub my feet and Obama fetch me a Pepsi
    Reid, Obama, Franks : YES MY QUEEN, LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!

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    Oh greatwe are going to be hearing this "win one for teddy" propaganda for the next few months.


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    Statement #1: politicians will use whatever leverage it can, up to and including deaths and kittens being kicked, to further their political agenda

    Statement #2: taking advantage of someone's death to further your political aspirations is a bad thing

    Query: what exactly are we going to debate / discuss about? Who is going to argue, "it's all right to take advantage of Ted Kennedy's death"?

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    man this is low lol, at least wait a week before capitalizing on his death will you?
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    I'm sure Ted Kennedy would love this, the accusations of using his death for political gain ring hallow when Health care reform is the political gain he wanted all his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    Ugh why do my country's politicians suck so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus View Post
    I'm sure Ted Kennedy would love this, the accusations of using his death for political gain ring hallow when Health care reform is the political gain he wanted all his life.
    Wondering the same thing.


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    So this "capitalising" on his death to help rally support for what the man himself called "the cause of my life" is terrible. So how about those who lied and claimed that under a NHS-style healthcare system Kennedy would have died long ago? Or was that okay?

    Yes, it's disgusting to use sentiment to help get your way politically. The noble way to do it is through fear and lies, the way the Republicans do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg View Post
    So this "capitalising" on his death to help rally support for what the man himself called "the cause of my life" is terrible. So how about those who lied and claimed that under a NHS-style healthcare system Kennedy would have died long ago? Or was that okay?

    Yes, it's disgusting to use sentiment to help get your way politically. The noble way to do it is through fear and lies, the way the Republicans do.
    As usual, the Democrats and their supporters start bashing the opposition whenever criticism is levelled at them. The man isn't even in his grave yet and his death is being used, shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    As usual, the Democrats and their supporters start bashing the opposition whenever criticism is levelled at them.
    I'm posting from Australia mate. I'm no "Democrat" and I'm not their "supporter". I'm also not a supporter of hypocrisy. Those who are happy to support outright lies about fictional "death panels" and about how Kennedy would have been left to die under a government-funded healthcare system don't have the right to whine about this use of his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    So...what is the point of this thread? People who are set to "auto-hate" for dems come back and do it again?
    No it's about a political party using a death of a man to further their political agenda and special interests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg View Post
    I'm posting from Australia mate. I'm no "Democrat" and I'm not their "supporter". I'm also not a supporter of hypocrisy. Those who are happy to support outright lies about fictional "death panels" and about how Kennedy would have been left to die under a government-funded healthcare system don't have the right to whine about this use of his death.
    Never called you a Democrat, but you are supporting them in this so for this thread you are their supporter no? Stop talking about what the Republicans have done in the past, both parties lie and are Hypocritical. When Reagen died you didn't see Republicans using his death for political benefit to push through legislation.
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    Ugh why do my country's politicians suck so much?

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