What nation has the most bloody history?

[Rodina38]

What nation's people have violence associated with them most?

[Akrotatos]

Mongols?

[Moorish guy]

English?

[The Noble Lord]

English?

Not really.

[bushbush]

china, dynastic change was the most bloody affair you can imagine, it happens once every few centuries, it was the WORLD WAR for the chinese civilization back then.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

Puerto Rico! Just kidding, Ancient and Modern Israel, I say.

[CiviC]

It's wrong to mingle Italy with ancient Rome.

[Rodina38]

It's wrong to mingle Italy with ancient Rome.

Why?

[CiviC]

Why?

Italy was just a province of Roman Empire, and modern Italy is just one successor of Roman Empire, just as France, Spain, Portugal and Romania.

[dogukan]

Italy was just a province of Roman Empire, and modern Italy is just one successor of Roman Empire, just as France, Spain, Portugal and Romania.

improve your point....seriously I'd like to hear what you'll say.

[Rodina38]

Italy was just a province of Roman Empire, and modern Italy is just one successor of Roman Empire, just as France, Spain, Portugal and Romania.

Uh, no. Romans by ethenticity are Italians, or Homo Erectus who came about 12,000 years ago in modern Italy. Italy served as the center of Rome while countries like Galicia and Iberia were simply conquered states.

[CiviC]

Uh, no. Romans by ethenticity are Italians, or Homo Erectus who came about 12,000 years ago in modern Italy. Italy served as the center of Rome while countries like Galicia and Iberia were simply conquered states.

Romans were not an ethnicity, they were like Americans with different ethnic origins like Italics, Gauls, Iberians, Germans, North Africans, Thracians, Dacians, Syrians, Britons, Illyrians, etc. The people living in Italy were not a single ethnicity either : there were Italics (divided in Latins, Oscians, Umbrii, etc), Gauls, Etruscans, Greeks, Illyrians, and of course all sorts of immigrants from all corners of the Empire.

Roman Empire was not an Italian Empire. It was the state created by a single city, Rome, and Italy was a conquered province like Gaul or Hispania was. So the political entity that created Roman Empire was Rome not Italy; it's not like in modern times when for example you can say that the British Empire was an empire created by a country, Great Britain. Roman Empire was not conquered by a country (Italy) but by a city-state, Rome.

Italian ethnicity was created in time with the Romanisation of all peoples of Italy and only after the fall of Roman Empire and the migrations Longobards we can talk about Italians as an ethnicity distinct from other Romance ethnicities.

Your OP refers to "What nation has the most blood history?". Ignoring the fact the Italian nation appeared only in XIXth century, if we consider not the Italian nation but Italians as a people/ethnicity, they are an ethnicity only after the fall of Roman Empire and the settlement and assimilation of Germanic peoples (mostly Longobards). The French, the Spanish, the Portuguese and Romanians are equaly descendants of Romans, Italians have nothing special except the fact Rome was situated in Italy.

[PointOfViewGun]

Uh, no. Romans by ethenticity are Italians, or Homo Erectus who came about 12,000 years ago in modern Italy. Italy served as the center of Rome while countries like Galicia and Iberia were simply conquered states.

Yet in the 16 century after it's fall the demographics have changed completely. It's really hard to connect Rome with Italy other than geographically.

[DAVIDE]

Italy was just a province of Roman Empire, and modern Italy is just one successor of Roman Empire, just as France, Spain, Portugal and Romania.

during Roman time, Italia was the whole peninsula Italica and their inhabitants

[Chukada1]

The Answer is obviously China.

3(5) out of 5 of the most deadly wars are in China. With the other two being the Second World War, where China comes 2nd to total casualties with 20 millions, 3 million less then the Soviet Union, and the other conflict being the Mongol invasion which also took place in China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_death_toll

[DAVIDE]

hebrews flawless victory

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[Boyar Son]

Well, from birth to modern times?

the USA.

in the 20th century i cant name a decade that America wasn't at war or sending soldiers into battle.the 19th century almost similarly, indian wars, civil war, war with mexico. all that in the 200 odd years this nation was concieved.

[Count of Montesano]

Well, from birth to modern times?

the USA.

in the 20th century i cant name a decade that America wasn't at war or sending soldiers into battle.the 19th century almost similarly, indian wars, civil war, war with mexico. all that in the 200 odd years this nation was concieved.

The same can be said of almost every major world power - UK, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, France, etc. Even up-and-coming countries like India have seen a far amount of bloodshed in the last 50 years.

And the US still has not run up anywhere near the bodycounts that Stalin or Hitler did during WW II.

[frontier-auxilia]

China, from the beginning of civilisation to modern era, the central plain was never free from the ravages of war.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Well, from birth to modern times?

the USA.

in the 20th century i cant name a decade that America wasn't at war or sending soldiers into battle.the 19th century almost similarly, indian wars, civil war, war with mexico. all that in the 200 odd years this nation was concieved.

I think your response is more borne from America hate than anything else, because it is a quite uneducated response to think that China's 4,000 year history rife with (quite awesome) dynastic struggles and ethnic war (not to mention oh my Mao!) hasn't been more bloody than roughly 100 years of American westward expansion and 100 years of world policing. I wish I had more time to study Chinese history, I'd love to know the ins and outs of it all.

We can compare American atrocities to other bloodfilled events of a similiar nature and understand more fully that America's history pales in comparison to older nations. One of Aushwitz's five crematoria would process 1,000 people per day whereas during the trail of tears 4,000 died over the course of the journey.

Of course, we can't discount the pogroms and gulags. Russia may come in third after China and Japan.