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    From what i can tell they seemed to be have been as bad as the Nazis Concentration camps or worse with many estimates having far higher kill counts than than the Nazis' but i find little or no evidence of their trials and punishments is it not well documented or did they some how escape punishment?

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    The doctors were given pardons and them and there research are held by the U.S.A as secret. Unit 731 was a chemical weapons test camp was it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz Ferdinand View Post
    The doctors were given pardons and them and there research are held by the U.S.A as secret. Unit 731 was a chemical weapons test camp was it not?
    thats appalling how could they let them go? just to serve to make more weapons did the other allied leaders know?

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    Not a single man was tried....immunity was their reward for giving McArthur the results of their tests on biological warfare.

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    I have no idea but it was probably to stop them destroying the research, which has proven useful later on. Also they would know what effects chemicals had on people which could be used in later experiments. It wasnt uncommon for axis doctors and scientist to be pardoned or have there sentences reduced for the simple reason they were useful to allied reasearch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Marcus Ulpius Traianus View Post
    From what i can tell they seemed to be have been as bad as the Nazis Concentration camps or worse with many estimates having far higher kill counts than than the Nazis' but i find little or no evidence of their trials and punishments is it not well documented or did they some how escape punishment?
    you think Unit 731 killed as many people as the Holocaust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta228 View Post
    you think Unit 731 killed as many people as the Holocaust?
    Do we judge on quantity now? They killed a hell lot of people in many horrible ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Marcus Ulpius Traianus View Post
    From what i can tell they seemed to be have been as bad as the Nazis Concentration camps or worse with many estimates having far higher kill counts than than the Nazis' but i find little or no evidence of their trials and punishments is it not well documented or did they some how escape punishment?
    Quote Originally Posted by Akrotatos View Post
    Do we judge on quantity now? They killed a hell lot of people in many horrible ways.
    That's what he was referring to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrotatos View Post
    Do we judge on quantity now? They killed a hell lot of people in many horrible ways.
    How was I saying that Unit 731 was any better than the Holocaust? Guess I didn't read that part of my post...

    I was simply pointing out that the OP has a very, very inaccurate death count if he thinks that the kill count was higher than the Nazis...

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    [Its correct to say the Holocaust consumed more lives then unit 731]

    Unit 731 was known for spraying lethal chemicals and diseases over entire villages, or handing out anthrax laced candy to children. The only numbers we have are those documented by the actual scientists working inside the laboratory. Actual number of deaths is impossible to tally, as its unclear who died from starvation, and who died from controlled starvation. (for example)

    However Unit 731, Unit 9420, Unit 200, Tama Unit, were part of a larger war machine that delibertly genocided Chinese populations. From the Rape of Nanking, to removing the term POW, to erradicating entire Chinese population centres, to causing mass starvation, was all part of the Imperial Creed. Most of those culprits got away with cold blooded murder numbering in the Tens of Millions.

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    Mass-starvation also happened in Japan; in fact, food ration was already introduced in Japan at 1939.

    Consider that, it is understandable that other Japan-controlled regions would only be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukada1 View Post
    [Its correct to say the Holocaust consumed more lives then unit 731]

    Unit 731 was known for spraying lethal chemicals and diseases over entire villages, or handing out anthrax laced candy to children. The only numbers we have are those documented by the actual scientists working inside the laboratory. Actual number of deaths is impossible to tally, as its unclear who died from starvation, and who died from controlled starvation. (for example)

    However Unit 731, Unit 9420, Unit 200, Tama Unit, were part of a larger war machine that delibertly genocided Chinese populations. From the Rape of Nanking, to removing the term POW, to erradicating entire Chinese population centres, to causing mass starvation, was all part of the Imperial Creed. Most of those culprits got away with cold blooded murder numbering in the Tens of Millions.
    Their names should forever be in infamy.
    I was under the impression that the Chinese killed most of them as well they should.
    Their actions brought shame to their people. However, let's not victimize the regular Japanese soldier who bravely fought for his country. I think the blame rests squarely with the Ultranationalist imperialistic militaristic HQ and the orders they gave even if senior officers within their ranks told them otherwise.

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    Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it is not enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House. I wonder if our politicians.. [who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war].. have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices.[10]
    This quote was spread by the militarists, minus the last sentence, where it was interpreted in America as a boast that Japan would conquer the entire continental United States.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku..._December_1941

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    again let me repeat the earlier quote...
    He wrote to an ultranationalist;
    Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it is not enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House. I wonder if our politicians.. [who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war].. have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices.[10]
    This quote was spread by the militarists, minus the last sentence, where it was interpreted in America as a boast that Japan would conquer the entire continental United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta228 View Post
    How was I saying that Unit 731 was any better than the Holocaust? Guess I didn't read that part of my post...

    I was simply pointing out that the OP has a very, very inaccurate death count if he thinks that the kill count was higher than the Nazis...
    i was quoting death counts i had read

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    Wtf type of information can you get from burying a infant alive?

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    the japanese royal family members who took part in nanjing and other atrocities (like forcing chinese fathers to their own daughters at gunpoint and forcing mothers to their own sons for example) got away scott free (and this is the most damning thing) with United States Government help.

    Let me repeat that, the United States Government helped sabotage the judicial proceedings against Japanese war criminals

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    Such is this world's justice...
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    the head doctor of this unit did go crazy and have cancer as he got old, a bit of karma justice i guess. It was said he was haunted by the ghosts from his victims.
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    The leader, Iishi he was called I believe, asked the Americans if they would pardon them and they would gve their biological findings to them. Which of course was accepted.
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    I highly suspect that it was only Chiang Kai-Shei's agreement that royal family was not trial.
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