Why Does It Cosmically Matter Whether Gays are Allowed to Marry or Not?

[Exarch]

Meaning, it's gotten to the point where we have politicians legislating over something as trivial as gay marriage.
Are there not more important issues these overpaid legislators should be doing such as the economy and unemployment and rising health costs? Are there not more important Editors and newsppl can get worked up about?!

As far as i'm concerned if gays want to get married, then it, get married, spend $$$ on a wedding ceremony for all i care, nothing's physically stopping them; likewise if ppl want to hold a raging sex party, of what concern is it of mine or other peoples? what ppl do in their own houses is their own business.

So, as a result of all this ing, whining and general all around attention whoring on the part of Gay Marriage Activists, i am announcing my opposition to gay marriage on the principle that if 2 ppl gay or straight love each other (since marriage should ideally be about love), then nothing, NOTHING will stop those 2 from living together and loving each other.

And if this is a matter of property, the solution is simple: the deceased would have willed all of his property to his gay lover/husband/"wife".

Are gays persecuted or killed in western society?No!, in fact gays enjoy mardis gras parades where everyone has gotten so used to being told 'we're here, we're queer, get used to it' that it's become a tourist attraction and overall $$ maker where even families take their kids to watch the parade.

So the whole point of point of Gay Marriage today isn't really about gay rights or anything; it's about wanting to be accepted by society-a society that on the whole accepts the idea of the right to be married and to be gay, but viscerally rejects the notion of homosexuality on basic moral principles.

I accept gays wanting to be married, i just don't accept the state recognizing gay marriages.
Is that really so bad?
And yet i'll most probably be painted as a 'hater' or 'intolerant' when I'm already tolerating the notion of gays by tolerating them being gay and living together.The notion that there exists a violation of any basic civil liberties is a myth.
Where is it written in the UN universal declaration of human rights that gays have the right to marriage? gays have the right to live in peace practicing what they 'believe' in but they are not entitled to the state recognizing their 'married status'.

A few final words to people who will probably object to my views:
you cant expect society to change for you, just because you want to, and do you really expect legislating gay marriage is going to make ppl any less disgusted about gay behaviour?

[Avendiel]

-If the requirement for something to happen is for it to "cosmically matter", then nothing ever will.

-If it doesn't matter, why oppose it?

-No one has a right to anything, what does that have to do with it?

-When the inevitable nuclear holocaust comes, where do you think should be the first place hit?

[Old_Scratch]

I personally don't know why anyone would voluntarily venture into the perils of marriage, regardless of sexual orientation.

[|Sith| Max]

I personally don't know why anyone would voluntarily venture into the perils of marriage, regardless of sexual orientation.

Word.

[Dr. Oza]

because although i (for religious reasons) dont approve of homosexuality, i will support their public rights, because we dont have the right to tell someone what to do based on religious teachings, usa is not a theocracy

[Avendiel]

'isten, man, gay people can't be allowed to get married, becasuse then they might start having sex or something, and that gives baby jesus the heeby jeebies

[Don in the North]

let them get married and have the same rights as a married couple.
most peoples disagreements with homosexual marriage stem from their religious convictions, i think that the government recognizing homosexuals rights when they are married as the same as heteros who are married should have nothing to do with these convictions at all. no church has to recognize them on any level, but they should have the same rights and options as their counterparts.

[Augment]

Just let people live their lives.

I personally don't know why anyone would voluntarily venture into the perils of marriage, regardless of sexual orientation.

Agreed, Marriage is Bull.

(for religious reasons)

Think for yourself

[The Count(er)]

Where is it written in the UN universal declaration of human rights that gays have the right to marriage? gays have the right to live in peace practicing what they 'believe' in but they are not entitled to the state recognizing their 'married status'.

Article 16 if I'm not mistaken.

[Exarch]

Article 16 if I'm not mistaken.

aye and they can get married

Article 16.

• (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
• (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
• (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State

just the state doesnt have to recognize it.

for all i care, 2 gays can marry each other, have a ceremony, live together.

[The Count(er)]

aye and they can get married

just the state doesnt have to recognize it.

for all i care, 2 gays can marry each other, have a ceremony, live together.

Read article 2, I does mention gender. But a marriage is more than a ceremony, it brings a certain legal status, with bonuses, so it does require state recognition.

[Exarch]

Read article 2, I does mention gender. But a marriage is more than a ceremony, it brings a certain legal status, with bonuses, so it does require state recognition.

sexual preferences doesn't require state recognition and in practice, gay couples can enjoy the same rights as regular straight couples.

why should the whole of a society conform to a minority's desires? that goes against the whole notion of a democracy which is rule by majority, not rule by who can inflict te most guilt and victim complexes.

As it is, most states oppose same sex marriage; it's here, it's queer for gays, get used to it.

If i were a Freudian man, i'd hazard a guess that all this fuss over gay marriage is really about gays seeking mummy and daddy's acceptance in the form of societal legislation for gay marriage. or anger towards society for being gay in the first place.

[The Count(er)]

sexual preferences doesn't require state recognition and in practice, gay couples can enjoy the same rights as regular straight couples.

So you agree that a marriage between two gay people should grant the same rights as is does with a straight couple? Why shouldn't they recognise it, apart from most people being unable to mind their own business, there's got to be an actual reason past a typical argumentum ad populum fallacy.

why should the whole of a society conform to a minority's desires? that goes against the whole notion of a democracy which is rule by majority, not rule by who can inflict te most guilt and victim complexes.

Well, discrimination is a pretty good reason that people should fight to change the minds of others, what's the majority opinion now can easily change, if it didn't we could just as easily be having this topic on slavery, not trying to compare the two, but the point is, just because most people like or dislike an idea does not mean it's in our best interest to keep it the way it is, it just means it may take more work to change it.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

sexual preferences doesn't require state recognition and in practice, gay couples can enjoy the same rights as regular straight couples.

why should the whole of a society conform to a minority's desires? that goes against the whole notion of a democracy which is rule by majority, not rule by who can inflict te most guilt and victim complexes.

As it is, most states oppose same sex marriage; it's here, it's queer for gays, get used to it.

If i were a Freudian man, i'd hazard a guess that all this fuss over gay marriage is really about gays seeking mummy and daddy's acceptance in the form of societal legislation for gay marriage. or anger towards society for being gay in the first place.

So, if the majority of the human race would only eat sausages and the state would condone it, and then a minority would only eat pies and the state wouldn't condone that. Would that be right? The minority is not influencing the majority assuming the minority makes their own pies. Live and let live, bro.

An interesting first point. However, that simply leads us down the endless and counter-productive road of, "does anything really matter?"

No, nothing really matters, cosmically. But to other people stuff matters, no matter how insignificant. Which is why this question doesn't bring anything new to the discussion.

[Desperado †]

You do realise that marriage has legal status?

[The Despondent Mind]

Well i'm fully against Anything gay:Evolution or God created MALE and FEMALE To MATE And breed their race : gays insult both.

[The Count(er)]

WEll i'm fully against Anything gay:Evoultoion or God created MALE and FEMALE To MATE : gays insult both.

Yes, evolution/god, not that I would ever consider the god option, also created gay people, for what ever reason it's present throughout society and nature, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean you get to deny them rights anymore than you do depending on someones race, gender or anything else that is entirely uncontrollable by the person.

[Desperado †]

Well i'm fully against Anything gay:Evolution or God created MALE and FEMALE To MATE And breed their race : gays insult both.

So theories must now be appeased?

Well i'm fully against space exploration:Gravity is meant to keep us on earth.

[MaryPoppinCaps]

Well i'm fully against Anything gay:Evolution or God created MALE and FEMALE To MATE And breed their race : gays insult both.

Wouldn't it be ironic if you were collapsed in a fire with one last prayer to God to save your life, and a homosexual firefighter rescues you? Who saves you in the end, God, or the selfless act of a human being just like you?

People are just people, you'll learn to live with that simple fact in time. In essence, God created all things - heterosexual and homosexual. If God is perfect and all-powerful why create something not in his image or to his standards? Perhaps for free will, and even then, that is allowed in the eyes of God. The free will of humans to choose and decide as they please, even homosexuality.

I don't see the necessity in demeaning and projecting an image of inferiority onto homosexuals, even if you believe that politically there should be some sort of equality. Surely if you believe in some equality, you cannot bar the rest from them? If you are open-minded enough to reject some views of your religion about gays, then why do you still retain a shred of those views, in that they are seen as unequal humans? Simply because these views are inherent in your religion you follow them? Believing for the sake that religion - or anything - simply says so is a poor reason to believe. If you purely believe that homosexuals are beneath you or unnatural to life, then so be it.

[Lazy-Hamish]

gay marriage harms no one, it does not affect people in a personal way so how can it offend them