Navy in the Mediterranian

[death2u4519]

It seems so simple in theory to conquer the mediterranian sea wise. The way I usually go in is I start out (spain for instance) I conquer the rebels around me, exterminate the Portugese, and pushing the Moors off the Iberian Peninsula and cutting of the bridge and securing the only entrance to the mediterranian by having a fleet set anchor. When I am ready to expand and have done all this usually it is turn 40 (I know i'm a slow starter but better in the long run) and move my forces and the remaining spair armada of ships to Ajaccio and Cagliari. When I have secured a base and naval dock on Cagliari mainly but Ajaccio too, I send my troops to Sicily and cut the bridge with A blockade. When I'm ready I move up from Naples and march and invade all the way to Milan and Venice (sparing the pope his annoyingness) and my next target is Greece.

By now it is usually late in the campaign and i'm about to recieve news of the Mongols, A big and prime annoyance of my ambition to control the mighty trade center that is the mediterranian. When I conquer Greece up to Constantinople, I go no further in an attempt to not waste my elites on the endless horde of the mongols. My next target is the peninsula that connects the black sea. By the time gunpowder comes out I am usually the first to aquire its power and test it in north africa decimating the moors with their lack of armour and cover the entire sahara and head east to Egypt.

This is the part I need help with. I have not conquered the far North (North France, Germany, Poland, Brittain, Scandinavia, and Russia. but the main thing is the Mongols. What should be my next move? details are I have a sizable army half that of the mongols, complete superiority of the Mediterranian and East Atlantic. My income is roughly $100,000 a turn and growing gradually. I am the leader in everything except military (ofcourse with the mongols) Whta should I do next?

[PoleCat]

You didn't say where the Mongols are. If they're in the north then it's harder to get at them. If they're attacking the Holy Lands you could do this:

Secure a forward Citadel near the Holy Lands and use that as a base of operations. Nicosia is a good target - it's isolated on an island and right there. Send a chivalrous general to help pump up the growth rate if it isn't large enough for a Citadel.

From there make armies and send them over in boats to attack the Mongols. Generally speaking 2 stacks to every stack of Mongols is a sure-fire way to win that battle. Try to take out their major unit producers - especially Citadels and Large/Huge Cities. And if you can blockade their ports. Their armies don't have upkeep but the cost to produce their units is high - try to choke any trade they have. Good luck!.

[death2u4519]

That is because I have no idea, I have absolutely no map information past Egypt or Constantinople or communication to the East what so ever. I will try this though. I like the fact that the middle East around Antioch up to Asia Minor is filled with rivers and passes that make it all too easy to ambush, make defences and forts, make strategic battles cutting off most of their reinforments allowing me to pick them off 1 or 2 stacks at A time time, and most importantly do guerilla hit-and-run tactics.

[PoleCat]

That is because I have no idea, I have absolutely no map information past Egypt or Constantinople or communication to the East what so ever. I will try this though. I like the fact that the middle East around Antioch up to Asia Minor is filled with rivers and passes that make it all too easy to ambush, make defences and forts, make strategic battles cutting off most of their reinforments allowing me to pick them off 1 or 2 stacks at A time time, and most importantly do guerilla hit-and-run tactics.

Exactly. Bridge battles make it easier to contain Mongols. Remember to position 2-3 Trebuchets near those bridges as well. Launch dead cows at the bridge as the Mongol units are crossing and you'll have an instant advantage - every one of their units has to cross through the miasma to get to you and you have the edge in morale.

[cisse]

every one of their units has to cross through the miasma to get to you and you have the edge in morale.

If you want to lower their morale, kill their general. Mongols most of the time just keep fighting as long as their general is alive, when he's gone it gets a lot easier.

[death2u4519]

Ya, the trouble is getting to the general, If you could somehow break through the infantry and fire from archers long enough to make a stable attack to ambush the lead general unit, you could make a decvisive blow to make most units route after 1/3 or 1/2 loss of their unit. If only there was some way to draw him out in lead.

Usually by the time the mongols arrive gunpoweder is avalible and I use this to my full advantage. The point with this is morale. Also most of the time when I get my gunpowder units to open fire on the enemy they retaliate and charge head on into my gunners. If I could make A diversion and get a couple gunners to a striking position of the mongol general in charge, I could open fire and draw them out of behind their army and dispose of them so I can focus on the army.

[Rilsaur]

Or you could simply give them a settlement far away from them, then just occupy the settlement again.
boom. no more Mongols.
this has to be done before they get a capital, of course.
then you just have around ten Rebel full stacks instead of ten Mongol full stacks.
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At least the rebels won't move....

[death2u4519]

Or you could simply give them a settlement far away from them, then just occupy the settlement again.
boom. no more Mongols.
this has to be done before they get a capital, of course.
then you just have around ten Rebel full stacks instead of ten Mongol full stacks.
....
At least the rebels won't move....

I tried that...It said "the whorde on the move again" or something to that effect..I don't know...I have poor listening skills haha..

[John Doe]

I tried that...It said "the whorde on the move again" or something to that effect..I don't know...I have poor listening skills haha..

They went to your nearest neighbour, and they shall be back, regardless of what is said in some guide. For them and the tims, you need to kill all the generals to finish them off.

As cisse said, if you meet them in the open field, you'll better kill their general straight away, specially the one that appears at the beginning: with their dread/command, unless your troops are veterans and fully armoured and with a good general, they'll rout just by the sight of him.

[death2u4519]

unless your troops are veterans and fully armoured and with a good general, they'll rout just by the sight of him.

thanks, that helps alot, no one ever told me that key peice of imformation right there, wich explains why they usually beat my twice as good as theirs army...