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    Default Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

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    It appears that most liberal opponents of the wars in the Middle East/ Central Asia have ceased their opposition with the Obama presidency. The liberal Democrats who abhorred Bush’s war policy (and most grass roots liberal Democrats did vehemently oppose the Bush war policy although this was not always the case with liberal politicians and media figures) apparently were simply opposed to wars led by Republicans. As Byron York, a conservative, writes in the first article below: “For many liberal activists, opposing the war was really about opposing George W. Bush. When Bush disappeared, so did their anti-war passion.” Anti-war protest leader, Cindy Sheehan, agrees completely, stating: “The ‘anti-war’ ‘left’ was used by the Democratic Party. I like to call it the ‘anti-Republican War’ movement.”
    Obama is perceived as a liberal, a man of peace, and a charismatic figure, which enables him to get away with things that had been impossible for Bush the Younger.Thus Obama can say such things as the war in Afghanistan is “fundamental to the defense of our people” and not be savaged by the former critics of the war. This is not to say that the former anti-war people have become cheerleaders for war. Rather, they have become largely indifferent to it. Their attention has been largely diverted to the health care issue, the economy, the environment, or some other liberal cause. This political indifference has given Obama a virtual freehand in military policy. The most dangerous possible development is war with Iran, which is sought by Israel and its Lobby. Escalating American involvement in Afghanistan along with the continued American occupation of Iraq allows for incidents with Iran (or incidents blamed on Iran) that could lead to war. If Obama keeps sagging in the polls–due to the health care reform issue, a continuing problematic economy, and other domestic difficulties– an aggressive foreign policy might likely be seen as a necessary political ploy. Even if war is not the deliberate goal, an aggressive policy, such as a naval blockade of Iran to enforce an embargo of various supplies (proposed in Congress in 2008), certainly brings a high risk of all-out war.
    The liberal Obama would seem to better able to expand the wars than the conservative Bush. As Justin Raimondo has written: “it occurs to me that only Barack Obama, who won the White House in large part due to his opposition to the Iraq war, could take us to war with Iran, and rally liberals and much of the left behind it.” http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...s-war-signals/
    This represents the Nixon-goes-to-China analogy. Just as Nixon with his anti-Communist bona fides had more political leeway to negotiate with Communist China than a liberal Democrat, the liberal man of peace Obama is better positioned politically to expand the wars in the Middle East/Central Asia than Bush the Younger, who was perceived as a warmonger. (To counter this argument, it might be pointed out that liberal Democrats did attack Lyndon Johnson over Vietnam. However, despite Johnson’s success in pushing through liberal domestic legislation, he was never the darling of American liberals and certainly did not have the charismatic appeal of Obama.)
    This scenario will not fully come to pass until Obama actually involves the US in war with Iran. But while a war with Iran is certainly politically feasible, the question is whether Obama would actually take such an option since the national security and foreign policy elites outside the orbit of the Israel Lobby are against such a risky venture.
    Do I smell hypocrisy in the air again?


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    Default Re: Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

    A cut-and-paste opinion does not excuse you from checking the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuZe View Post
    A cut-and-paste opinion does not excuse you from checking the facts.

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    OK, I'm still waiting for the HUGE Anti War protests we saw during the Bush Administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Conservatives tend to erroneously compare the liberal movement to the anti-war movement. While at times members may cross platforms the truth is that the majority of liberals do not share the same sentiments as the anti-war protesters.

    Your quote wrote that Obama has successfully expanded on our wars. Obama has not expanded on our wars, in fact, Iran has just allowed nuclear inspectors back into the country. In addition, during the Iranian elections Obama stood by the protesters. Certain conservatives would have had us go to war with Iran during the Bush presidency. The war in Afganistan, however, is a completely different war, We disposed the leaders of the 9-11 attack from Kabul and are now assisting in the rebuilding of the country, the same cannot be said of Iraq, which Obama has no choice but to organize a safe withdrawal with a somewhat stable government left behind. The Liberal movement does not expect Obama to simply order every Battalion out of Iraq.

    Lyndon did not have the charisma of Obama, your right, also Lyndon was introduced to the war after the death of the President Kennedy. Lyndon was somewhat in a different situation than Obama who ran against the war in Iraq, among other things such as health care, education, and infrastructure. Both presidents inheirited the war but one was from the same administration that started the war in the first place.

    The escalation of military action in Afganistan is neccessarily, in fact, if Obama did not escalate the use of military action in Afganistan than politicans like McCain and commentators like O'reilly and GB would jump on him for not escalating the rate of military action in Afganistan. The difference between Bush and Obama is a change in strategy within Afganistan and Iraq.
    Hypocrisy?
    Obama has committed thousands of more troops to Afghanistan "The Surge", He's increased Drone Attacks on the Pakistani boarder.

    If that's not escalating the war then I don't know what is.
    Last edited by touchmaster; August 23, 2009 at 06:58 PM.


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    OK, I'm still waiting for the HUGE Anti War protests we saw during the Bush Administration.
    Have you thought that maybe the reason for the HUGE anti-war protests was because the Bush administration actually started the wars?
    Obama has committed thousands of more troops to Afghanistan "The Surge", He's increased Drone Attacks on the Pakistani boarder.

    If that's not escalating the war then I don't know what is.
    1. Drone attacks save soldiers lives.

    2. He committed more soldiers because it was needed to get the job done.

    You really need to do some more research on the war in Afghanistan.

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    Default Re: Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
    Have you thought that maybe the reason for the HUGE anti-war protests was because the Bush administration actually started the wars?
    Doesn't matter, Obama is still continuing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
    1. Drone attacks save soldiers lives.
    It also kills Innocent Civilians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
    2. He committed more soldiers because it was needed to get the job done.
    OK I can agree with that - but how long will we be there? Will we still be hearing the same rhetoric "We still haven't finished the job, give us another year"

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    You really need to do some more research on the war in Afghanistan.
    You made my day.
    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Well hes not Glen Beck or Rush so Ill give you that. But yes he does lean toward a certain side.
    LOL, he hates Glenn Beck. He also thinks Rush is a fake conservative. So IDK what more you want.


    Yeah he leans towards one side, everyone does. Not sure what the big deal about that is.
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    Default Re: Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    Doesn't matter, Obama is still continuing it.
    It also kills Innocent Civilians.

    OK I can agree with that - but how long will we be there? Will we still be hearing the same rhetoric "We still haven't finished the job, give us another year"

    You made my day.

    LOL, he hates Glenn Beck. He also thinks Rush is a fake conservative. So IDK what more you want.


    Yeah he leans towards one side, everyone does. Not sure what the big deal about that is.
    Big deal is that a you shouldnt consider an article from someone who leans to a certain view as a news article. This is opinion.

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    Doesn't matter, Obama is still continuing it.
    Oh, yeah, right. Let's just drop everything we're doing there and leave it as a complete utter mess. Who cares, right? We're the world's superpower.
    It also kills Innocent Civilians.
    Unfortunate, but it happens.

    OK I can agree with that - but how long will we be there? Will we still be hearing the same rhetoric "We still haven't finished the job, give us another year"
    Do you know what the "job" is?
    You made my day.
    Great. Still need to do your research. But you have Infowars, a great source of information. Everyone knows all when they use Infowars.

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    Default Re: Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

    Obama is in a bind with what to do in Afghanistan. Its been almost a decade since 9/11 and people are quick to forget why we're over there to begin with.

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    Also your source in infowars. A very bad taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    Also your source in infowars. A very bad taste.
    How so? Because it's not from a mainstream outlet?


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    Default Re: Where is the Anti-War Movement in the Age of Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    How so? Because it's not from a mainstream outlet?
    Fox article would be better. Actually why infowars is bad taste because its a website targeting a single audience (Conservative Anti Obama). The Alex Jones show is a big clue, but if you missed that one then look at the tags on the right side of the page - A T-Shirt with someone pointing a gun to someones head, who just so happens to be holding a bag of cash, with the words Socialism below.

    Then there are other tags like NWO - New World Order. What news websites have links for conspiracy theorist. Then you have a link that says "Why everyone is wrong about the coming food shortage?" Conspiracy theorist again.

    Oh and honestly a 150 page report for an Obama takeover of the world, who the going to read 150 pages on how Obama will take over the world, and secondly, what could someone write to fill 150 pages about how Obama can take over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Fox article would be better. Actually why infowars is bad taste because its a website targeting a single audience (Conservative Anti Obama). The Alex Jones show is a big clue, but if you missed that one then look at the tags on the right side of the page - A T-Shirt with someone pointing a gun to someones head, who just so happens to be holding a bag of cash, with the words Socialism below.

    Then there are other tags like NWO - New World Order. What news websites have links for conspiracy theorist. Then you have a link that says "Why everyone is wrong about the coming food shortage?" Conspiracy theorist again.

    Oh and honestly a 150 page report for an Obama takeover of the world, who the going to read 150 pages on how Obama will take over the world, and secondly, what could someone write to fill 150 pages about how Obama can take over the world.
    Alex Jones is more Independent. He targets anti establishment / gov't listeners, not Conservative Anti obama listeners. He was against Bush during the Bush years so saying he's partisan is complete BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    Alex Jones of more Independent. He targets anti establishment / gov't listeners, not Conservative Anti obama listeners. He was against Bush during the Bush years so saying he's partisan is complete BS.
    Well hes not Glen Beck or Rush so Ill give you that. But yes he does lean toward a certain side.

    Obama has committed thousands of more troops to Afghanistan "The Surge", He's increased Drone Attacks on the Pakistani boarder.

    If that's not escalating the war then I don't know what is.
    US Shifts, Giving Detainee Names to the Red Cross
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/world/middleeast/23detain.html?hpw

    WASHINGTON, Aug 23 (Reuters) - The situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating along with U.S. public support for the war, Washington's top military officer said on Sunday as he left open the possibility of another increase in troops.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCan.../idUSN23121238


    The surge in Afganistan began before Obama, Unless your referring to this latest campaign in the Helmand province which borders the Pakistani border which just so happens to be involved with the transfer of fighters from the tribal regions of NE Pakistan and Afaganistan. Are you seriously saying that reinforcing the violatile border with Pakistan is a bad idea?

    The drone attacks, what could be better. Robots from miles up in the sky kill Taliban leaders without any loss to American soldiers and this you oppose.

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    Conservatives tend to erroneously compare the liberal movement to the anti-war movement. While at times members may cross platforms the truth is that the majority of liberals do not share the same sentiments as the anti-war protesters.

    Your quote wrote that Obama has successfully expanded on our wars.
    As Justin Raimondo has written: “it occurs to me that only Barack Obama, who won the White House in large part due to his opposition to the Iraq war, could take us to war with Iran, and rally liberals and much of the left behind it.”
    Obama has not expanded on our wars, in fact, Iran has just allowed nuclear inspectors back into the country. In addition, during the Iranian elections Obama stood by the protesters. Certain conservatives would have had us go to war with Iran during the Bush presidency. The war in Afganistan, however, is a completely different war, We disposed the leaders of the 9-11 attack from Kabul and are now assisting in the rebuilding of the country, the same cannot be said of Iraq, which Obama has no choice but to organize a safe withdrawal with a somewhat stable government left behind. The Liberal movement does not expect Obama to simply order every Battalion out of Iraq.

    Lyndon did not have the charisma of Obama, your right, also Lyndon was introduced to the war after the death of the President Kennedy. Lyndon was somewhat in a different situation than Obama who ran against the war in Iraq, among other things such as health care, education, and infrastructure. Both presidents inheirited the war but one was from the same administration that started the war in the first place.

    The escalation of military action in Afganistan is neccessarily, in fact, if Obama did not escalate the use of military action in Afganistan than politicans like McCain and commentators like O'reilly and GB would jump on him for not escalating the rate of military action in Afganistan. The difference between Bush and Obama is a change in strategy within Afganistan and Iraq.
    Hypocrisy?

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    While we all know the anti-war movement was mostly a liberal sham, I do not think this gives Obama a free hand with Iran like the article implied.

    It would be a wonderful experiment though were he to bomb them without UN approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    It would be a wonderful experiment though were he to bomb them without UN approval.
    He knows that he doesn't have to do this. As soon as Iran is close to the bomb, PM Netanyahu will bomb them, then Obama can agonize over the pain of the Muslim world ... and apologize ... all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer View Post
    He knows that he doesn't have to do this. As soon as Iran is close to the bomb, PM Netanyahu will bomb them, then Obama can agonize over the pain of the Muslim world ... and apologize ... all over again.
    I hope you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    I hope you are right.
    I wish Bebe would do it, today ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer View Post
    I wish Bebe would do it, today ...
    Looking for someone to cast the first stone? I don't blame you. American intervention in Iran without EXTREMELY clear validation/initiative to do so would pile hatred upon hatred for the US in many countries. Obama's soothing visage would dull the pain of course, but still, it would be best if we could avoid leading the charge IMHO.
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