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    Today is the 95th anniversary of the Battle of Cer,the first allied victory in WW1.




    The Battle of Cer also known as Battle of Jadar (main operations were held near the river basin of the Jadar river in Serbia) was one of the first battles of World War I, it also marked the first Allied victory in the war. The battle was fought between the Austro-Hungarian Army and Serbian forces. Results improved Serbian standing in the Alliance. Austro-Hungarian troops fought under the command of General Oskar Potiorek and Liborius Ritter von Frank. Von Frank was in direct command of Austro-Hungarian forces at Cer (5th Army). Most of the Serbian troops were under the command of General Stepa Stepanović.
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    First Attack on Serbia, August 1914



    [edit] Austrian push

    In the opening stages of the First World War, the Austro-Hungarian Army Group Balkans, under the command of General Oskar Potiorek, pushed into northwestern Serbia across Sava and Drina rivers. Šabac fell. Following the expansion of bridgeheads, most elements of 2nd and 5th army successfully crossed into Serbia by 12 August. Potiorek's own 6th army was still concentrating further south and was in no position to begin large operation at this time, so the brunt of the fighting in following days was on the 5th Army. According to Potjorek's plan, it was to attack in the general direction of Valjevo immediately after the crossing and take the city in five days.

    [edit] Serbian response

    Reports of the Austrian incursion reached the Serbian staff during the day. It was clear that a major operation had begun, but Field Marshal Putnik still had not completely abandoned his view that main Austrian thrust will come from the north, concentrated on the Morava river valley. It took some time until his assistants, general Mišić, and head of Operations, colonel Živko Pavlović convinced him to take decisive action.
    Along with the direct military pressure of Austria-Hungary, Serbia was pressed to take an offensive stance by its Allies, at the time waging difficult battles in northwestern Europe. The Serbian Staff had replied that its units are already on the offensive against the Austrian bridgeheads. The Serbian Second Army, under the command of General Stepanović advanced towards Cer, the Šumadija Division towards Šabac and the Cavalry Division towards Mačva. On the left flank, the Third Army, under the command of General Pavle Jurišić Šturm, entered the battle. Then the 3rd launched a massive offensive push through the Austrian lines crushing the bulk of them
    The Serbian Second Army was, due to its position in the center of the northwestern cordon formation, the strongest of the three armies, not in term of numbers (the largest was the First Army, which was assigned to protect the entrance to the Morava river valley. This being the best possible approach to Serbia due to the lack of natural defenses, unlike the mountainous northeast and northwest) but of the quality of its divisions. It consisted only of the divisions of the first call up (prvi poziv), of soldiers in their 20's and with best training and matériel available. These were the Šumadijska, Moravska, Dunavska (which, being responsible for defence of Belgrade, had additional regiments attached) and Kombinovana (combined) divisions. This organizational structure was chosen by Field Marshal Putnik not just to have a strong center, but also, due to their central position, the Second Army's divisions could at any time be attached to either First or Third army if the strategic development dictated such an action. Hence, when there was no longer any doubt about the direction of the Austro-Hungarian invasion, the Serbian cordon conducted a regrouping (movement of app. 90 degrees counterclockwise) of all of its armies and Second Army faced von Franck's Fifth Army (the only Austro-Hungarian field army which had crossed into Serbia in full strength) at Cer and Jadar valley.

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    During August 1914 a battle was waged in the area of Mt. Cer, in which around 200,000 Austro-Hungarians fought against 180,000 Serbs. The main battle at Cer lasted from August 16 to August 19. The Serbian Army was victorious, pushed the Austro-Hungarian Army back across the Drina, and completely thwarted their war plan.



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    i want to see,if any of you,have their opinions on this battle,Serbian army,and WW1 in general...



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    Ah, two of my great grandfathers fought in this battles, they were the ones who started family tradition of killing Germans in war...
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    and glory to them !


    my ancestors died in the defense of smederevo in ww1.


    Every third male died in that war...

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    and clan bro,you shouldn't get all the germanophiles angry here,they might try to push the Drina,yet another time

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    Quote Originally Posted by clandestino View Post
    Ah, two of my great grandfathers fought in this battles, they were the ones who started family tradition of killing Germans in war...
    Praise be to your ancestors who have made a tradition out of killing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor View Post
    Praise be to your ancestors who have made a tradition out of killing people.
    Well you can't blame them. Serbs have the talent to make killing of a certain people a Family tradition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind View Post
    Well you can't blame them. Serbs have the talent to make killing of a certain people a Family tradition
    What you said means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind View Post
    Well you can't blame them. Serbs have the talent to make killing of a certain people a Family tradition
    Grow up
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    There was nothing glorious about that war. Most serving veterens (Including your ancestors) would probably agree that it was nothing but a horrendous blood bath and utter waste of life.

    However, I understand your point and I agree most who fought were heroes- I doubt our generation could go through what they went through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    There was nothing glorious about that war. Most serving veterens (Including your ancestors) would probably agree that it was nothing but a horrendous blood bath and utter waste of life.

    However, I understand your point and I agree most who fought were heroes- I doubt our generation could go through what they went through.
    i agree that it was a terrible war,but like clandestino said,we fought for freedom,for survival,not for conquest,and our mentality back then was that theres nothing better in life,than die defending your homeland.

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    Well it wasn't glorious for some Austrian soldier who traveled 1000 kilometers to attack someone who never harmed him, but it was glorious for my great grandfathers who litteraly fought on their doorsteps, for example famous battle for Mackov kamen hill took part in forest which belonged to my mother's family. But I agree it was tragical war, especially for Serbia which lost almost half of adult male population and 26% of overall population.
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    God gives burdens to those he loves. And no burden he gives is greater than what that person can handle. We must simply make the choice to endure. The Serbs did that here.

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    "Mors Certa, Hora Incerta."

    "We are a brave people of a warrior race, descendants of the illustrious Romans, who made the world tremor. And in this way we will make it known to the whole world that we are true Romans and their descendants, and our name will never die and we will make proud the memories of our parents." ~ Despot Voda 1561

    "The emperor Trajan, after conquering this country, divided it among his soldiers and made it into a Roman colony, so that these Romanians are descendants, as it is said, of these ancient colonists, and they preserve the name of the Romans." ~ 1532, Francesco della Valle Secretary of Aloisio Gritti, a natural son to Doge

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    Glory to heroes!!!!

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    A huge part of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers on the Serbian front were made out of minorities who died for a country who wasn't theirs..

    A horrible war indeed.

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    yeah i know,its a shame.but they could have refused to fight or something,or dezert.

    many serbs from austro-hungaria ran away,and joined serbian ranks.even bosnian muslims,and some croats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    yeah i know,its a shame.but they could have refused to fight or something,or dezert.

    many serbs from austro-hungaria ran away,and joined serbian ranks.even bosnian muslims,and some croats...
    to be fair, not all minoritites in AH were unhappy about being there. Especially not when Franz Ferdinand was the heir apparent.

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    well let's see.

    czechs and slovaks were all for independence,romanians were for unification with romania,serbs were for unification with serbia,italians were for italy,poles were for poland.

    i think only those minorities that didn't have a nation,like slovenians and croats,were more or less loyal to the AH crown.

    others were just swiming away from the sinking boat.

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    Glory be to the Serbs of WW1, fighting to defend their country.

    I hope that present day Serbs realize, in how much bad light did the actions of Milosevic and his ilk paint all of Serbia, including those fallen Heroes.

    We must strive to be as good and honest as we can in life, because our actions reflect on how our ancestors are treated (by the common man whose image is undoubtedly kin to what he may see us do), those who shed blood and tears for us to be here. The easiest thing in the world would be to shrug it all off and go on living as usual. Think that all the world is the enemy and that there is a conspiracy to destroy our Nation, (whichever that may be) by the evil West. The truth, in this case as well as in others, isn't always what the Ultranationalists may want you to think or believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keravnos View Post
    Glory be to the Serbs of WW1, fighting to defend their country.

    i agree

    I hope that present day Serbs realize, in how much bad light did the actions of Milosevic and his ilk paint all of Serbia, including those fallen Heroes.

    i mostly agree,but milosevic was not the creator of serbia,serbia existed before him...
    and im afraid you think he was the only one responsable for the civil war in yugoslavia(which he isn't)but he was incompetent and brutal,and nobody can deny that.

    We must strive to be as good and honest as we can in life, because our actions reflect on how our ancestors are treated (by the common man whose image is undoubtedly kin to what he may see us do), those who shed blood and tears for us to be here.

    i agree,but for example,if im a thug or something,it's stupid that my grandad which was a general in ww1,get's bad light,and people remember him less.that's plain stupid.i believe every man is responsible for his actions.

    The easiest thing in the world would be to shrug it all off and go on living as usual. Think that all the world is the enemy and that there is a conspiracy to destroy our Nation, (whichever that may be) by the evil West. The truth, in this case as well as in others, isn't always what the Ultranationalists may want you to think or believe.

    i don't see what this has to do with this subject?
    even if i understand what you're trying to say.

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    Why did AH attack Serbia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Why did AH attack Serbia?
    Ehm, it was because of many reasons. First one is because it saw Serbia and Montenegro as the Piedmont for all the rest of Balkan people to stand up and rebel against Dual-Monarchy rule, and then there are other reasons as well, Serbia and Montenegro were seen as the obstacle to Austro-Hungarian expansion in the Balkans, it saw them as the insult to Austro-Hungarian imperial ambitions and pride, saw them as instigators of potential deadly rebellion of Serbs and others that live in Dual-Monarchy, and finally because Austria-Hungary felt weak and saw two Balkan states as the creators of its doom. And eventually Austria-Hungary collapsed when it's whole rotten structure was exposed and it's many peoples started deserting.
    In summary, Austria-Hungary wanted to stop time and prevent it's inevitable end, but attack on Serbia and Montenegro only speeded up the process, who knows how long Austria-Hungary would've lasted if it wasn't for the start of WWI.
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