ETW Owners Should Get Discounts...?

What do you think? I think we people who paid $50 in order to buy ETW and now that they will abandon it (i.e. they've decided to stop working on ETW because of it's fail,*) in order to release NTW should deserve a discount on the purchase of NTW.

What do you think?



(*edit by TheFirstONeill)

A discount would be nice.

edit: no, you don't deserve anything.

Kind of Like what Serria did with Red Baron II and Red Baron 3D? Red Baron II was a glitched up nightmare which you could never finish a single campaign, and multplayer didn't even work because the physics were messed up so if you even tried to turn or pull up on any plane it would fall a part. Insted of fixing the game a year or so later they released Red Baron 3D, anyone who owned Red Baron II was given the option to download a mega patch which turned Red Baron II into Red Baron 3D, but you had to have Red Baron II because the patch was a patch not a full game. Mega Patch was 100% free for Red Baron II owners.

Nope. You wouldn't expect money off any other expansion, why this one?

Originally Posted by Stalins Ghost

Nope. You wouldn't expect money off any other expansion, why this one?

Except this isn't an expansion, NTW is a full-out standalone game.

Originally Posted by Isaristh

Except this isn't an expansion, NTW is a full-out standalone game.

It's still an expansion, a stand alone expansion. They exist.

Originally Posted by D.B. Cooper

It's still an expansion, a stand alone expansion. They exist.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Napoleon: Total War is an upcoming turn-based strategy and real-time tactics computer game developed by The Creative Assembly and published by Sega. It is a sequel to Empire: Total War...

A "sequel" is, according to the dictionary:

a literary work, movie, etc., that is complete in itself but continues the narrative of a preceding work.

So that would mean that Napoleon: Total War is in fact it's own game, but merely a sequel. It still contains some parts of ETW, but in itself is a separate game. Therefore, not an expansion.

Originally Posted by Isaristh

So that would mean that Napoleon: Total War is in fact it's own game, but merely a sequel. It still contains some parts of ETW, but in itself is a separate game. Therefore, not an expansion.

It's an expansion because some elements of the game will carry over into Empire. It has been confirmed that the new graphics engine and some of the new technologies will do so, and it is possible that other new features will as well.

It helps to know about what you're talking about before you start attacking it.

Originally Posted by Isaristh

So that would mean that Napoleon: Total War is in fact it's own game, but merely a sequel. It still contains some parts of ETW, but in itself is a separate game. Therefore, not an expansion.

Psssh, semantics.

You've not played any of Dawn of War's "standalone" expansions? Or any other game who's expansions don't need the first game? Even if you haven't, that sort of attitude is more baby throwing the rattle out the pram rubbish. Loads of games have standalone expansions these days. They're just going with the times.

Double post, keep this one

Originally Posted by Isaristh

Except this isn't an expansion, NTW is a full-out standalone game.

Although some elements will carry over to Empire (we don't know what, though; only the graphics and new technologies have been confirmed so far).

Whilst it would be nice to have a discount, I don't feel like I'm owed one. I'm not sure as of yet whether the game would be worth full price, but based on what's been confirmed so far it seems to be worth more than a regular expansion. Most online stores are putting it at £24.99, which seems fair.

Originally Posted by Stalins Ghost

Nope. You wouldn't expect money off any other expansion, why this one?

Indeed.

It's almost £15 cheaper anyway.

Isaristh, there will be very few dozens of people here that will buy it on release for full price ,and then they will be another several dozens that will buy it when price goes down to at least 50% down, and some will not buy it at all (me included).

You have same here :

http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/61694?page=18 ( their own announcement on their own forum, at least 300+ out 350+ is saying they will wait for price cut or not buy at all)

or here :

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6...ar-impressions

http://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6...ar-in-february

http://pc.ign.com/articles/101/1014877p1.html

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/napoleon-to...1015453p1.html


Posting community (hence word posting) is highly critical( and rather very peeved) of the whole release business, that game will most like have price cut rather fast and you will get your discount (if you are to buy this at all) very soon after the release.Look this way, as it stands now, they will be forced to give you some sort of discount , rather sooner then later.

My suggestion to you , and anyone else..don't buy it, period.

They're still riding on how buggy the game was at release (not now, but release) to make it seem as if CA owes them something. Just because they read the occasional complaint on TWC they think everyone is having problems, 'cept the fact is it's probably less than a hundred people, against the thousands and thousands who bought this game and enjoy it immensely.

Originally Posted by D.B. Cooper

They're still riding on how buggy the game was at release (not now, but release) to make it seem as if CA owes them something. Just because they read the occasional complaint on TWC they think everyone is having problems, 'cept the fact is it's probably less than a hundred people, against the thousands and thousands who bought this game and enjoy it immensely.

I get nice crashes now and then, but most PC games have crashes even console games. Other than that I have very little to complain about on ETW all except I wish they never touched the game since release. I enjoyed it so much more when it was first released. Player's complaints on AI caused CA to dramatically make them too agressive and campaigns are most enjoyable just being an empire, having fun building an empire battles to me at just a wall that needs to be smashed while building it. I'm doing Easy/Easy because AI is so agressive it's annoying and still you can't make peace with people after you go to war with them without mopping the floor with their blood.

Originally Posted by D.B. Cooper

They're still riding on how buggy the game was at release (not now, but release)

No, I'm making out on not only how buggy it was at release (it wasn't finished, there is so much evidence saying it wasn't), but the fact even now barely any of it has been fixed, and some "fixes" have made it even worse. Yet they have decided to stop trying to make it better and just move on to another game.

to make it seem as if CA owes them something. Just because they read the occasional complaint on TWC they think everyone is having problems, 'cept the fact is it's probably less than a hundred people, against the thousands and thousands who bought this game and enjoy it immensely.

There are not just "occasional complaints", there are lots of them. Heck the criticism thread reached over thousands of replies and hundred of pages, but had to be reset due to it's massive size, while the praise thread reached barely over 100 or so replies. CA does owe us at least an apology, which we haven't gotten. How would you like it if you went to a McDonalds one day and ordered something. What you ordered was absolutely terrible in looks and taste, and then you complained to the management. They said they would replace your order, but you got to pay full price again.

Wouldn't you be ticked?

Originally Posted by Isaristh

No, I'm making out on not only how buggy it was at release (it wasn't finished, there is so much evidence saying it wasn't), but the fact even now barely any of it has been fixed, and some "fixes" have made it even worse. Yet they have decided to stop trying to make it better and just move on to another game.



There are not just "occasional complaints", there are lots of them. Heck the criticism thread reached over thousands of replies and hundred of pages, but had to be reset due to it's massive size, while the praise thread reached barely over 100 or so replies. CA does owe us at least an apology, which we haven't gotten. How would you like it if you went to a McDonalds one day and ordered something. What you ordered was absolutely terrible in looks and taste, and then you complained to the management. They said they would replace your order, but you got to pay full price again.

Wouldn't you be ticked?

Of course but if I asked for a free new one I would be worried of someone spitting in it.

Originally Posted by Lumina

Of course but if I asked for a free new one I would be worried of someone spitting in it.

And if they did, what would you do? You'd probably never eat there again right? You may even go as far as to sue them correct? You didn't pay twice for a single burger marinated in saliva did you?

I believe this is a good message to CA in order so they know what will happen if they screw us over yet again on NTW, don't you?

Originally Posted by Isaristh

And if they did, what would you do? You'd probably never eat there again right? You may even go as far as to sue them correct? You didn't pay twice for a single burger marinated in saliva did you?

I believe this is a good message to CA in order so they know what will happen if they screw us over yet again on NTW, don't you?

Wouldn't be a message, people will still buy the game. Not like you can get 90% of the players "Not" to buy it just because a far lower percent feel cheated. I just bought a DVD set Volumn 1 of Season 2 of Code Geass, it came with only 7 episodes on two DVDs. Season 1 they would come with 8 Episodes a DVD, sometimes more, 225 Minutes not 175 Minutes. Volumn 2 will come with 150 Minutes 6 Episodes even less. I felt cheated but I'm still going to buy it.

Originally Posted by Isaristh

There are not just "occasional complaints", there are lots of them. Heck the criticism thread reached over thousands of replies and hundred of pages, but had to be reset due to it's massive size, while the praise thread reached barely over 100 or so replies. CA does owe us at least an apology, which we haven't gotten. How would you like it if you went to a McDonalds one day and ordered something. What you ordered was absolutely terrible in looks and taste, and then you complained to the management. They said they would replace your order, but you got to pay full price again.

Wouldn't you be ticked?

If I bought a hamburger that I didn't like, I wouldn't eat it. It's not their fault I thought the burger would taste great, and they're not false advertising for saying the burger would taste good either. I just don't think it's good. That's a terrible comparison anyway, video games to fast food?

Look, my point is, there are perhaps a few thousand teenagers ing up a storm in the "criticism thread". Against this there are hundreds of thousands of satisfied customers after the latest patch. You can't say your experiences with the game represent most gamers, because you're a minority until you prove otherwise.

Besides, as I said before, they're a business and it's only logical to to follow up on a commercial success with an expansion.