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    A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs, a claim that prompted furious condemnation and accusations of anti-Semitic blood libel from a rival publication.

    "They plunder the organs of our sons," read the headline in Sweden's largest daily newspaper, the left-leaning Aftonbladet, which devoted a double spread in its cultural section to the article.


    The report quotes Palestinian claims that young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip had been seized by the Israel Defense Forces, and their bodies returned to the families with missing organs.

    "'Our sons are used as involuntary organ donors,' relatives of Khaled from Nablus said to me, as did the mother of Raed from Jenin as well as the uncles of Machmod and Nafes from Gaza, who all had disappeared for a few days and returned by night, dead and autopsied," writes author Donald Boström in his report.

    Boström's article makes a link to the recent exposure of an alleged crime syndicate in New Jersey. The syndicate includes several American rabbis, and one Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, who faces charges of conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant.

    Boström also cites an incident of alleged organ snatching from 1992, during the time of the first Palestinian intifada. He says that the IDF seized a young man known for throwing stones at Israeli troops in the Nablus area, who was shot in the chest, both legs, and the stomach before being taken to a military helicopter which transported him to "a place unknown to his loved ones".

    Five nights later, Boström says, the young man's body was returned, wrapped in green hospital sheets.

    "The sharp sounds from the shovels were mixed with the occasional laughter from the soldiers who were joking with each other, waiting to go home. When Bilal was put into his grave, his chest was revealed and suddenly it became clear to the present what abuse he had been put through. Bilal was far from the only one who was buried cut-up from his stomach to his chin and the speculations about the reason why had already started," he writes.

    But the liberal Sydsvenskan - southern Sweden's major daily - had harsh criticism for the rival paper, running an opinion piece under the headline "Antisemitbladet" (a play on the name Aftonbladet).

    "We have heard the story before, in one form or the other. It follows the traditional pattern of conspiracy theory: a great number of loose threads that the theorist tempts the reader to tie into a neat knot without having been provided with any proven connection whatsoever," writes leading columnist Mats Skogkär of Sydsvenskan.

    "Whispers in the dark. Anonymous sources. Rumors. That is all it takes. After all we all know what they [the Jews] are like, don't we: inhuman, hardened. Capable of anything," the opinion piece says. "Now all that remains is the defense, equally predictable: 'Anti-Semitism' No, no, just criticism of Israel."

    The Foreign Ministry reacted angrily on Tuesday to the report. Ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor said the newspaper's decision to publish the story is "a mark of disgrace" for the Swedish press.

    "In a democratic country, there should be no place for dark blood libels out of the Middle Ages of this type," Palmor said. "This is an article that shames Swedish democracy and the entire Swedish press."

    A Foreign Ministry official said that Israel's embassy in Stockholm have communicated a harsh condemnation to the Swedish government and the newspaper itself.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1108384.html

    I understand that the swedish Aftonbladet is not a sensasionalistic rag.
    Sweden is the most anti-Israel state in the EU. It's also the most politically suicidal. I actually think that is no coincidence.
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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    i heard about this today in the news. If a journalist write an article that say that israeli soldiers kidnap palestinians children to harvest their organs he/she better give some real good objective sources. Not just baseless reports by random palestinians. This is such a grave accusation that you either give some facts to source it or you don't publish it.
    This article imho is a lie, but in the middle east a lot of people could well belive it, and that will result in only more hatred.
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    Need more independant evidence. This could well be propoganda.

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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    Aftonbladet is not a newspaper, it's a paper. Sweden has decayed increasingly, ever since the spirit got out of the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem1 View Post
    Aftonbladet is not a newspaper, it's a paper.
    But the Haaretz I would think is, and why would they claim then that the Aftonbladet is legit if, as you say, its a pamphlet?
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    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebusitanus View Post
    But the Haaretz I would think is, and why would they claim then that the Aftonbladet is legit if, as you say, its a pamphlet?
    Because I'm Swedish, I know the media of this country which is worth dirt and always has been. Trust me, Aftonbladet is a pamphlet - it's one of those evening papers constantly overblowing things, writing all sorts of crap and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem1 View Post
    I know the media of this country which is worth dirt and always has been.
    This is not very objective to say. Maybe Aftonbladet just does not meet your political views?
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    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebusitanus View Post
    This is not very objective to say. Maybe Aftonbladet just does not meet your political views?
    No it's an entirely subjective thing, and I think you'll find a lot of other Swedes share the same subjective view with me. Ah well, I don't really have a problem with you not trusting my opinion, but I warned you.

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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    Aftobladet is indeed a sensationalist tabloid. The few real news that actually gets printed comes from the other daily newspapers and are twisted into absurd proportions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem1 View Post
    Precisely what I want to say. The media of Sweden is as I was saying earlier, worth dirt.
    More or less, I wouldn't put it like you did but unbiased news are hard to come by here.


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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    A liver can give you a good add on the pay check these days...


    Serious thou, the topic is writen in whore lanuage. Where is the proof?

    1. A story of a shocking organ removal. Not detailed, no links, no names, nothing, as far as I read.
    2. A more right wing/rival paper says that its made up anti-semi stuff, and no critisism to the content atall. Just guns blazing.
    3. IFM rants back to the swedish GOVERNMENT, WHY?

    Jet another stupid rumour, resulting in an drama.

    God save us all
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    A liver can give you a good add on the pay check these days...


    Serious thou, the topic is writen in whore lanuage. Where is the proof?

    1. A story of a shocking organ removal. Not detailed, no links, no names, nothing, as far as I read.
    2. A more right wing/rival paper says that its made up anti-semi stuff, and no critisism to the content atall. Just guns blazing.
    3. IFM rants back to the swedish GOVERNMENT, WHY?

    Jet another stupid rumour, resulting in an drama.

    God save us all

    Aye, I don't agree with the things Israel has done on their part.. But people shouldn't agree outright to something with no Substance behind the story.
    This News story requires some Hard Evidence you'd think Rupert Murdoch wrote it. lol

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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    A liver can give you a good add on the pay check these days...


    Serious thou, the topic is writen in whore lanuage. Where is the proof?

    1. A story of a shocking organ removal. Not detailed, no links, no names, nothing, as far as I read.
    2. A more right wing/rival paper says that its made up anti-semi stuff, and no critisism to the content atall. Just guns blazing.
    3. IFM rants back to the swedish GOVERNMENT, WHY?

    Jet another stupid rumour, resulting in an drama.

    God save us all
    Exactly.

    All 3 parties are at fault: The first newspaper for bringing such a strong story without proper evidence, the second newspaper for playing the "anti-Semitism" card without evidence that this is anything more than cheap sensationalism, and finally the Israeli foreign minister for blaming the Swedish government for what one newspaper writes.



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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    Sounds like crap. I have to ask some of my friends in Btselem about this.

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    I take your word for it. Not nice for the Haaretz to have overblown it then.
    Read a napoleonic first hand account of a Hessian serving under the french flag

    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Damn there goes my second hand organ business!

    I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Swedes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Damn there goes my second hand organ business!

    I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Swedes!
    lmao does your head open to reveal the janitor? :p

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    God this guy makes some threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem1 View Post
    Good, regarding Aftonbladet as even a newspaper is an insult to decent medias around the world. Trusting in it is like trusting Fox News.
    Wow, wow, wow, fox news? I don't read swedish paper myself, but that's a bit harsh.

    Serious thou; the norwegian version, Aftenposten, is the most boring report, no nonsence, dry and objective paper I have ever read.

    Did someone from IDF do some thing with a palestine body(then again, how many from Isreal is not in the IDF)...
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    the body

    ...is this how the IDF normally arrest people = hell no!
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Default Re: Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs

    There's a line in the sand.... and this paper just crossed it with these accusations. If they are true, I'll eat my shoe. And tape it for TWC's entertainment.

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