Jon Stewart Has an Extended Interview With Betsy McCaughey Over Healthcare

[nopasties]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/
15-minute 2part video

watch and discuss

a real conversation

[removeduser_426582376423734]

It was a good show, even though it was edited far too much - probably went on for too long.

[Erik]

Jonathan "Jon" Stuart Leibowitz: comedian and legislation expert.

Who had the correct interpretation?
(I have no idea what those words meant.)

If Betsy McCaughey's interpretation is correct (ie: doctors get rewarded/penalized based on the end life decisions made by their patients), then I agree it's a bad clause.
But then again: I highly doubt it would pass if her interpretation is correct.

even though it was edited far too much - probably went on for too long.

It wasn't edited at all, they just ran out of time.
The entire discussion can be seen here http://www.thedailyshow.com/

[The Devil's Sergeant]

As unbelievable as it may sound the laws passed through Congress and signed by the President are the be all and end of the law. Unless the legislation is highly specific and detailed (this reform bill definitely is neither) the law gets turned over to the Executive branch which then has to write the specific regulations that genuinely make up and enforce the law.

Taking just a sliver of what was discussed in this video, the $500 billion cut from Medicare. The legislation doesn't say what specifically has to be cut. It is vague. No politican is going tyo put into legislation "people over 250 pounds and over 80 years old cannot get a hip replacement becasuse we want to save x number of dollars" What they would do is say, "the budget for medicare is lowered by X number of dollars." Well asserting the the budget be lowered, doesn't just make it happen. Something has to give.

So that is why people are screaming "death panels." They know something has to give. And the also know the only place you are going to find enough money to save is by looking at the treatment given to the very old and sick. The assertions by the President and democrat leaders that there will be no rationing or "death panels" ignore the both the real way legislation is made and enforced and the necessity to reduce the availability of care in order to meet their budget promises.

[Erik]

So that is why people are screaming "death panels." They know something has to give.

The "death panels" specifically refer to encouraging patients to CHOOSE for stopping treatment in certain situations.
That's very different from DENYING treatment because you ran out of funds.

In fact it would be the exact opposite: without such a clause health care would become more expensive and stopping treatment against patients becomes more likely.

But still, simply ending treatment because of a lack of funding just isn't going to happen.
That doesn't even happen in the poorest of countries.
What will happen is the general quality of care will decline, ie: less money for CAT scans (you'll just have to do with simple X-ray instead) and certain expensive treatments will get replaced by cheaper ones.

[Chukada1]

Jon Stewart is my hero.

[Big War Bird]

The "death panels" specifically refer to encouraging patients to CHOOSE for stopping treatment in certain situations.
That's very different from DENYING treatment because you ran out of funds.

So just to be clear, you are ok with government putting a guilt trip onto elderly, sick, and the sometimes not quite all there into foregoing expensive treatments to extend their lives? Sadly the Veteren's Adminstration already does that. Bill Clinton had a book produced by the Hemlock Society given to VA patients. This book included a worksheet that asked patients to calculate whether their lives were worth living. It asked people to consider what a financial and emotional burden they would be on their families, among other leading questions. Bush did away with the book, and Obama just reintroduced it.

In fact it would be the exact opposite: without such a clause health care would become more expensive and stopping treatment against patients becomes more likely.

But still, simply ending treatment because of a lack of funding just isn't going to happen.
That doesn't even happen in the poorest of countries.
What will happen is the general quality of care will decline, ie: less money for CAT scans (you'll just have to do with simple X-ray instead) and certain expensive treatments will get replaced by cheaper ones.

I don't see that as any better.

[Erik]

So just to be clear, you are ok with government putting a guilt trip onto elderly, sick, and the sometimes not quite all there into foregoing expensive treatments to extend their lives?

I'm OK with mass genocide, as long as it's in America and not here.
I really do not care either way, it is not my problem.

I'm just saying the "death panels" idea comes specifically from the page discussed on the Daily Show, and not from some general vague notion that shortage of funds will eventually lead to death panels.

This is important, because it means the "death panels" can be scrapped from the bill (as I suspect will happen) and that should be the end of the discussion.
But somehow I get the impression that no mater how the bill changes, Republicans will continue to scream "death panels" simply because it makes a good soundbite.

Why do we have a thread on a comedy show in the mudpit?

Because "serious" American media only shows partisan one-liners aimed to strengthen the opinions their target audience already has.

Unlike the "serious" American media, The Daily Show still have some real journalism in it.

[Каие]

What Party is she in? I've found references to her being in BOTH parties. Republican Lieutenant Governor, but also a Democrat... ?




PS. It's good to see a good natured debate on this subject, proving it can be possible, without Republicans screaming ''NAZI EUTHANASIA'' and ''COMMIES!" and Democrats shouting "NAZIS" and "FASCISTS''.

[jankren]

The Daily Show is the only trustworthy media in my book. Also The Colbert Report.

[Trey]

The Colbert report sucks, it's so low brow and unfunny.

Daily Show is entertaining though.

[RussoAmiTurristo]

The Colbert report sucks, it's so low brow and unfunny.

Daily Show is entertaining though.

I thought the opposite; minus sucking. They're both good shows.

Is there any site that actually does good analysis on this bill? Has a statement and backs up with the actual document. It's so rediculous. Ex: page 231 "death panels" wtf?

[Kjertesvein]

A little off topic BUT: How are the government protecting it's citizen againt svine flu? Is it free or will the weak perish?

Thanks and Regards, Wille the XVI.

[B-DizL]

One thing that needs to be fixed is the fact that a CAT scan costs thousands of dollars, why exactly do many of these tests/scans cost so damn much in the first place

and the rationing of care is more about making the information that is gathered by the tests/scans available to every doctor so that people dont end up getting several tests because the old tests data is lost or wasnt transfered with the patient, its about reducing waste not denying services

[Big War Bird]

A little off topic BUT: How are the government protecting it's citizen againt svine flu? Is it free or will the weak perish?

Thanks and Regards, Wille the XVI.

From what I can gather, any vaccine will be rationed by the government. And I also saw one report that Massachuesetts plans on enslaving doctors and nurses and forcing them to give shots to the governments chosen people.

[nopasties]

Massachuesetts plans on enslaving doctors and nurses and forcing them to give shots to the governments chosen people.

[B-DizL]

From what I can gather, any vaccine will be rationed by the government. And I also saw one report that Massachuesetts plans on enslaving doctors and nurses and forcing them to give shots to the governments chosen people.

Thats a joke right???

Did you make your sig statement wrong on purpose? cuz its no taxation without representation

[Big War Bird]

Thats a joke right???

Well the word the government uses is "deputize," but the result is the same. Private citizens will be forced from their homes and made to do the bidding of government.

Did you make your sig statement wrong on purpose? cuz its no taxation without representation[/QUOTE]

My sig is how I intend it. Think about it.

[B-DizL]

Well the word the government uses is "deputize," but the result is the same. Private citizens will be forced from their homes and made to do the bidding of government.

Your not getting that info from fox news are you? cuz if so you might as well say a flying spaghetti monster is coming to kill our grandmothers

[Kjertesvein]

From what I can gather, any vaccine will be rationed by the government. And I also saw one report that Massachuesetts plans on enslaving doctors and nurses and forcing them to give shots to the governments chosen people.

Ok, my government got 2 doses for each citisen, so anyone let me know if you need some drugs. And yeah, our government does it here to, so that 100 000's weak and pregnent don't die. I on the other hand, look at it as a milita force guarding the weak within the hird.

EDIT:

And I also saw one report that Massachuesetts plans on enslaving doctors and nurses

Would this be something like a medical emergency where they ask these health professionals to work out of hours or extended hours and pay them for it ?

Maybe United States of Socialism have other laws, but here in No(r)way; Doctors, retierd doctors and nurses will be called in as if the world war 3 had begun, and yes offcourse extended hours according to labour rights.

and forcing them to give shots to the governments chosen people.

Would the goverments chosen people be those most at risk from dying from the disease and certain professionals such as health professionals and teachers ?

Health department here is running 20 secounds TV "adds", from time to time, calming people down about the hype, a few tips, what to do, where to go, etc.