Should Christian Priests Be Eunuchs?

[Exarch]

so as to save them from temptations of the flesh;
how many scandals have there been involving a priest and <ugh> young kids etc etc

think about it, priests accept a life of celibacy; their religion and rule advocate celibacy, and with their position in society comes trust.

Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7-7&version=31

that quote aside,

To prevent sexual abuse and violation of celibacy vows, i think christian priests and ministers should be castrated
-notice how i dont call for monks to undergo castration, since most monasteries exist in seclusion from the rest of the world- and besides, jesus didnt marry, allegedly, and may have been tempted so why should those who claim to follow the example of Christ?

Moreover, christian belief rejects this life as being but a test;
the loss of sexual organs-vestigial in the case of priests-would be a small price to pay for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Other saints have followed this example and castrated themselves

[MaximiIian]

I'd think no. Becoming a eunuch is permanent. Being a priest is not.
Though, obviously, it's up to the individual; I just think it'd be poor form to mandate it all across the board.

[Exarch]

I'd think no. Becoming a eunuch is permanent. Being a priest is not.
Though, obviously, it's up to the individual; I just think it'd be poor form to mandate it all across the board.

i think it'd convey the gravity of being ordained, quite effectively.
call it a test of faith, after all, isnt He always testing us?

[C-Rob]

I've read some studies when this is used on sexual predators and it does not eliminate but actually only reduces the chance of bad stuff happening. It should be a choice between the priest and his God and should have consultations with a doctor. It would not work if it was because of not a sexual drive, but a personality disorder.

It doesn't work on cats, I've found out from a friend as his still will go out of the house to try to fulfill his urges, it definitely wouldn't work on humans.

[MaximiIian]

i think it'd convey the gravity of being ordained, quite effectively.

I think that should be something up to the individual cleric. Some clergymen quit the priesthood. Making them become eunuchs stifles that personal, individual decision-making; in other words, it's a dick move (pun intended).

[Exarch]

eunuchs are reputed to be remarkably faithful
especially, according to history
eunuchisation would further serve to augment Faith-something which Christianity is quite obsessed about

[Thanatos]

so as to save them from temptations of the flesh;
how many scandals have there been involving a priest and <ugh> young kids etc etc

Actually, there were not that many. More than just a few, to be sure, but not even close to as big as the media was hyping it at the time a few years back.

eunuchs are reputed to be remarkably faithful
especially, according to history
eunuchisation would further serve to augment Faith-something which Christianity is quite obsessed about

Uh.... no. Please re-read some Chinese history.

The saying "When the cats are away the mice will play" definitely applies here.

[Exarch]

Actually, there were not that many. More than just a few, to be sure, but not even close to as big as the media was hyping it at the time a few years back.



Uh.... no. Please re-read some Chinese history.

The saying "When the cats are away the mice will play" definitely applies here.

that is the gift of free will
becoming eunuchs will only make it easier for priests to get into Heaven; and besides, they're not going to need it, they're celibate priests!

One of the main points in celibacy is resisting temptation(the other one being full dedication to the Lord) if you take away temptation by castrating the man there's no point.

temptations are everywhere,
and one saint took that biblical quote 'if thine eye offends thee, put it out' into practice with sexual matters.
if he could do it, why cant priests who have sworn celibacy anyhow?

[Claudius Gothicus]

temptations are everywhere,
and one saint took that biblical quote 'if thine eye offends thee, put it out' into practice with sexual matters.
if he could do it, why cant priests who have sworn celibacy anyhow?

OK temptations are everywhere but you'll have to accept that the sexual one is up there in the list, priests can also stop being priests if they want to so is it ethical to take away their genitals forever because they're during a period of their lives priests?

[Exarch]

OK temptations are everywhere but you'll have to accept that the sexual one is up there in the list, priests can also stop being priests if they want to so is it ethical to take away their genitals forever because they're during a period of their lives priests?

i understand the Christian God does not take a lack of faith very well-the OT is evidence of that- and stopping being a priest, is a big step down from god love, never mind the application of Free Will.

in fact, that's typical of christianity's god, actually; he'll allow you to practice free will, but punish you for picking the wrong choice like some pavlovian sadist....but i digressss

why should priests care about their genitalia? Christianity dictates that this life is but a test of faith before the leadup to the superbowl of doomsday

[Del Valle]

Eunuchs have been faithful? I suggest you read up on Chinese history my friend.

[Claudius Gothicus]

One of the main points in celibacy is resisting temptation(the other one being full dedication to the Lord) if you take away temptation by castrating the man there's no point.

[Exarch]

from my understanding, the practical point of celibacy in christianity was so that church property would remain in church hands and not those of their family members, so it's silly this associaTION, even today, that celibacy=purity.

the second guy is allowing da devil TO better tempt him

[black-dragon]

Perhaps he could be made to bite them off himself as a kind of baptism by fire.

[CiviC]

Only Catholics have celibacy. Orthodox and Protestant priests are allowed to marry. In fact in Eastern Church (Orthodox) you can't be a priest if you are not married. Only Bishops can't be married. So you see Othodox Church recognized priests are human beings with natural instincts and found a way to canalise those instincts by making marriage mandatory instead of barbarian measures as sugested above.

[boofhead]

Yes, most Christian leaders are married.

And no, celibacy was not about property. It's about an attempt at complete devotion to spiritual matters and not to the carnal.

BTW, Exarch, statistics demonstrate that per capita teachers molest more kids than priests, so maybe they should be castrated.

[Exarch]

Yes, most Christian leaders are married.

And no, celibacy was not about property. It's about an attempt at complete devotion to spiritual matters and not to the carnal.

BTW, Exarch, statistics demonstrate that per capita teachers molest more kids than priests, so maybe they should be castrated.

teachers have no excuse, they could spend their government $$ on whores and strippers

priests cant, and given their chosen profession of professional busybody going on and on about how richard gere is going to lowest heck for his many crimes against gerbils, i think it's only making priests practice whut they preach

[Exarch]

i'm confused by all this enabling of allowing priests to get away with a lack of faith, after all, Matthew 18:9 specifically states that

And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9;&version=31;

Since priests who have taken a vow of celibacy are in constant temptation and are in the ever present dilemma of sin, then as one of Christianity's church fathers advocated, and as YHWH has demonstrated in the OT, celibate priests might consider taking an operation to remove genitalia.

Of course this should only apply to cases where celibacy is a required rule in some orders. since orthodox priests are allowed wives, i dont think they need to be under the knife.
orthodox bishops on the other hand....

Since /castrati were often celebrated for their skill in singing (those high notes)-ppl even likened their otherworldy voices to heaven and angels-it might even encourage ppl to attend church to hear sermons from a 'pure' individual.

why am i advocating this?
heck, i'm sick of church hypocrisy, and the way some christians will find any way to rationalise their obvious transgressions against their clear and concise rules in their very own religion. the church materialism was one thing, churchmen's desires to pay for whores is quite another. remove the source of sin, and remove sin itself

[uos_spo6]

Well if the point of becoming an Eunuch is to remove temptation, than half of the value of a priests integrity is already shattered because living with temptation is part of the concept of the devotion to God a priest is supposed to have.

Not to mention, isn't self mutilation strictly opposed in most forms of Christianity?

I should think it'd be more beneficial to 'nuch rapists and dead beat dads.

[basics]

" Not to mention, isn't self mutilation strictly opposed in most forms of Christianity?"

uos_spo6,

When Jesus said take up your cross and follow me I don't think He was appealing to people to impersonate what He did on the cross. I mean it was a once only sacrifice, never to be repeated by God if only because any sanctification was done at the cross, meaning that them for whom He died would not have to bear what He did. But it takes all types.... and try telling them.