On Balance

[Muffer Nl]

As I see a lot of people complaining about balance I decided to do a completely AI controlled game. I only interveined a few turns to take screenshots and look around the map. OotMM are clearly not so strong. Isengard no longer steamrolls Rohan and Rhûn is slowly being beaten back by Dale and the Dwarves. Mordor is the strongest faction.

This game has been played with TATW 1.2 and RC/RR of the 8th of August.

[HolyDevil]

after rohan or gondor gets destroyed, the other ones destruction is close, since rohan holds back isengard, and gondor holds mordor, should one fall, the other will follow, and since is AI only, im not that surprised that mordor is indeed the strongest

[Maverock]

I also completely disagree with the people complaining about balance.

Go play VH/VH as good and you'll see.
Playing as High Elves and have to do EVERYTHING in my power to help out my friendly AI's Dwarves, Silvan's and Gondor.
Was too late and lost Rohan too Isengard, Mordor is steamrolling Silvan and only my stacks helps retaking those lands and Rhun and Harad are completely on the loose vs Dwarves and Gondor.
Iam donating money too both so they can keep them a little of thereselves while iam overtaking Isengard together with Eriador (donating my new country's too the full stacks of these man of the north).

Iam now at turn 225 and still all hangs on a thin thread if I'll be able to win or lose the good fight

[knight of virtue and valor]

I also completely disagree with the people complaining about balance.

Go play VH/VH as good and you'll see.
Playing as High Elves and have to do EVERYTHING in my power to help out my friendly AI's Dwarves, Silvan's and Gondor.
Was too late and lost Rohan too Isengard, Mordor is steamrolling Silvan and only my stacks helps retaking those lands and Rhun and Harad are completely on the loose vs Dwarves and Gondor.
Iam donating money too both so they can keep them a little of thereselves while iam overtaking Isengard together with Eriador (donating my new country's too the full stacks of these man of the north).

Iam now at turn 225 and still all hangs on a thin thread if I'll be able to win or lose the good fight

no E\E!>

[Blackorc]

I always knew mordor was strongest but that even dwarf fail to stop hem Because Best Evil Ai is mordor but good is dwarves.

[chdwhite]

So was it looks like Rhun was eventually taken out by Harad!! Is that what happened? Also, Isengard's comeback against Rohan and Gondor was pretty amazing...I mean on turn 150 it looked like they only held a few settlements and then 250 they were huge!

And are the High Elves holding up pretty well against Mordor? its prob just a matter of time anyway.

[Seleukos_I.]

I think that Rhun got whipped out by the Dwarves and Harad took over their settlements.
But maybe you should post this in the RR/RC Forum

[axnsan]

Normal TATW makes evil too strong. RC makes good to strong. To be honest, normal tatw would be better if it wasn't for the inconsstencies (woodsmen with 5 armor?)

[Point Blank]

Normal TATW makes evil too strong. RC makes good to strong. To be honest, normal tatw would be better if it wasn't for the inconsstencies (woodsmen with 5 armor?)

When I did have evil factions more powerful than they are now, with greater unit production etc, more money etc, there were many complaints.

The simple fact is, that the good factions are closer to one another, and have as many or more settlements, so its easier for them to produce and deploy larger/more concentrated forces. So making evil stronger means artificially boosting their economies or autoresolve, or artificially weakening good.

Balance should be better in current (aug 8) version due to changes in some unit sizes and production priorities. I'd be interested to see more AI-only games.

[axnsan]

When I did have evil factions more powerful than they are now, with greater unit production etc, more money etc, there were many complaints.

The simple fact is, that the good factions are closer to one another, and have as many or more settlements, so its easier for them to produce and deploy larger/more concentrated forces. So making evil stronger means artificially boosting their economies or autoresolve, or artificially weakening good.

Balance should be better in current (aug 8) version due to changes in some unit sizes and production priorities. I'd be interested to see more AI-only games.

Complaints or no complaints,evil should be stronger than good. That's a fact

[Space Voyager]

Complaints or no complaints,evil should be stronger than good. That's a fact

Why? In LOTR the good wins...

I'd be most glad if things could turn either way with or without your intervention.

[Point Blank]

Complaints or no complaints,evil should be stronger than good. That's a fact

Well I agree with you

[Flower]

But Gondor won the Battle on the Pelennor, Dale and Dwarves won against the Easterlings, no orc was ever in Lothlorien, Thranduil could hold the orcs away too and the Rangers of the North saved The Shire from being destroyed, Rohan killed Isengard...

[DeliCiousTZM]

its so balanced and dull it gets boring. no unit is op and there is no special units just boring vanilla units doing boring combos feeling nothing like lotr

everything about is lotr accept the units. their so far from lotr feel its sick.

[gingerbill]

its so balanced and dull it gets boring. no unit is op and there is no special units just boring vanilla units doing boring combos feeling nothing like lotr

everything about is lotr accept the units. their so far from lotr feel its sick.

I don't recall seeing trolls and orcs in vanilla MTW2! , do they come after the timurids?

[Inarus]

This proves Elven archers are too weak!

[Ranger of Ithilien]

well i agree with the simulation it is like it should be.. sauron raping Middle Earth.. they were very numerous ad all i agree... and VH/VH for me is not that hard if i only defend myself but it gets very difficult to defend my allies and this is the fun part!

[Muffer Nl]

This is the aug 8 update.
I think I might start another one.
For all who wan't to do such a thing you do the following:
1. Start a hotseat as OotMM with command panel enabled
2. Open the command panel
3. type command HRE
4. if you wan't to chack the status just wait until a ai that is not OotMM is doing it's turn and type command HRE again.

[axnsan]

No they don't win. Tossing a ring into a mountain of fire isn't winning. They would have got annihilated if it wasn't for that.

[Maverock]

No they don't win. Tossing a ring into a mountain of fire isn't winning. They would have got annihilated if it wasn't for that.

And that is very true.

So, till so far no complaining about balance on my side (tho it seems to depend on which course the factions take from the start ofcourse).