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    Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama’s approval rating declined as a growing number of Americans said the Democratic president and Republican leaders aren’t working together on important issues.
    In a poll from the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, 63 percent of Americans said they thought the two sides weren’t working together. While 29 percent of respondents said Republicans are most to blame for the lack of cooperation, 17 percent cited Obama, up from 7 percent in February, Pew said.
    Obama’s job-approval rating fell 3 percentage points, to 51 percent from 54 percent in July, within the survey’s error margin of plus-or-minus 2.5 percentage points. His rating stood at 61 percent in June.
    Independents were almost evenly divided, with 45 percent saying they approved of Obama’s performance and 43 percent saying they disapproved. In June, independents approved of Obama’s job performance by almost a 2-to-1 margin.
    Approval ratings for the Democratic Party also fell, with 49 percent of Americans saying they viewed the party favorably. That’s down 10 percentage points from April, Washington-based Pew reported. Democrats had a 62 percent favorable rating just before Obama’s inauguration in January. The 40 percent approval rating for the Republican Party has held steady all year.
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    On health care, Republicans are paying more attention to the debate over reform, according to the poll. While almost half of the public said they have heard a lot about the legislation, 61 percent of Republicans put themselves in that category, besting other groups by 10 or more percentage points.
    “Reactions are highly partisan” on the issue, Pew editor Carroll Doherty said in an interview. Conservative Republicans have been more vocal because the opposition tends to get mobilized “a little bit easier,” Doherty said.
    “The mere fact that the people who are hearing the most about this” are conservative Republicans is a measure of “engagement and intensity,” Doherty said. “The Democrats do seem less intense.”
    About four in 10 Republicans said they would be angry if current health-care proposals were enacted, while 13 percent of Democrats would be angry if the legislation pushed by Obama and pending in Congress failed. Thirty-eight percent of Republicans say they would be very happy if the bills failed, while 27 percent of Democrats would feel the same way if the bills succeed.
    On the economy, 90 percent of respondents rated economic conditions as poor or “only fair,” almost unchanged from a Pew poll in June.
    Pew’s poll of 2,010 adults nationwide from Aug. 11-17 was conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International.
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    Americans are in an increasingly sour mood about Washington. Barack Obama’s approval ratings continue to inch downward and a growing proportion of Americans (63%) think that the president and Republican leaders are not working together to deal with important issues facing the nation; in June, 50% said the two sides were not cooperating. While more people continue to blame Republican leaders than blame Obama, the percentage saying the president is at fault (17%) is higher now than in June (12%) and much higher than in February (7%)

    In the same vein, the new poll finds favorable ratings of the Democratic Party have declined sharply since spring. Just 49% now say they have a favorable view of the Democratic Party. This compares with a 59% favorable rating for the party as recently as April and 62% shortly before Obama took office in January. Opinion of the Republican Party, which stands at 40%, has not changed all year.

    Public opinion about the national economy also is stuck, and on balance remains negative. Fully 90% rate economic conditions negatively – 52% say they are poor and 38% only fair. These evaluations are on par with views of the economy in June, which had shown some improvement from earlier in the year. Similarly, the proportion of Americans expecting the economy to improve over the next year, which increased from March to June, has now stabilized.

    However, the public’s personal financial assessments have become more bearish in the new poll than they were two months ago; currently, 55% say they expect their financial situation to improve over the next year, down from 63% in June. Since June, the decline in personal financial optimism has been particularly pronounced among middle-income and affluent Americans, as well as among Republicans and independents.

    The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Aug. 11-17 in English and Spanish among 2,010 adults reached on landlines and cell phones, finds that 51% now approve of Obama’s job performance while 37% disapprove. While that is largely unchanged from July (54%), it is down 10 points from June (61%).

    Independents, who approved of Obama’s job performance by nearly two-to-one in June (56% to 29%) are now about evenly divided: 45% approve while 43% disapprove.

    The survey finds that with public views of the economy remaining predominantly negative, there are no signs that Americans are ready to increase personal spending. Fully 81% report they have cut back on vacation spending, been eating at restaurants less often, or have delayed purchasing a car or major home items. This is largely unchanged from June (76%) or, for that matter, from February (79%), when overall views of the economy were even more negative.
    As in the past, more people say they are cutting back on spending because they worry their financial situation might get worse rather than because it actually has gotten worse. Nearly half (47%) of those who have delayed or cut back spending say they have done so out of fear about the future, while 34% say they are cutting back because their finances have gotten worse.

    The job situation continues to worry more Americans than other financial problems. More than four-in-ten (44%) say the job situation is the economic issue that most worries them, followed by rising prices (26%), problems in the financial markets (14%) and declining real estate values (9%). This hierarchy of worries is little changed from previous surveys this year.
    Health Care: More Attentiveness Among Conservatives

    As the debate over health care continues, an overwhelming proportion of Americans (90%) say they have heard at least a little about bills being proposed by President Obama and Congress to overhaul the health care system. Nearly half of the public (48%) says they have heard a lot about the proposed legislation. Notably, 61% of conservative Republicans say they are hearing a lot about health care legislation, substantially more than in other political groups.

    The poll indicates that anger about the legislative proposals under consideration is not especially widespread. Just 18% say they would be angry if health care legislation proposed by the president and Congress were to pass; only half as many (9%) say they would be angry if the bills do not pass.

    Overall, reactions to possible outcomes of the legislative debate are mixed: 44% say they would be very happy or pleased if the bills proposed by Obama and Congress pass, while 40% say they would be disappointed or angry. When a separate group of respondents was asked about their reaction if the bills fail, about as many say they would be very happy or pleased (39%) as disappointed or angry (40%).

    More Republicans have strong reactions to the bills’ prospects than do Democrats. Nearly four-in-ten (38%) say they would be angry if the current reform proposals were enacted. By comparison, just 13% of Democrats say they would be angry if the legislation proposed by Obama and Congress does not become law. Rather, most Democrats (51%) say would be disappointed.

    Similarly, while 38% of Republicans say would be very happy if the bills fail, a smaller percentage of Democrats (27%) say they would be very happy if the bills succeed.

    Independents generally do not express as intense reactions to possible outcomes of the health care debate than do Republicans or Democrats. However, while 19% of independents say they would be angry if the health care bills pass, just 8% say they would be angry if the bills do not pass.
    Democratic Party’s Falling Favorability

    The decline in the Democratic Party’s favorable ratings has come across party lines, but the change is especially large among independents. Only 40% of independents give a favorable rating to the Democratic Party, down 12 points since April.

    Independents’ views of the Republican Party have not changed since April (41% favorable then, 40% today). As a result, as many independents now express positive views of the GOP as of the Democratic Party.

    Democrats continue to express positive views of their own party, but favorable ratings have slipped from 91% in April to 85% now. Somewhat fewer Republicans also rate the Democratic Party favorably (17%) than did so in April (24%). More than three-fourths of Republicans (78%) rate the GOP favorably, which is virtually unchanged from April.

    The Democratic Party’s favorability has decreased among most demographic groups. The decline has been largest among those with some college education (62% in April to 45% now). Similarly, 68% of people with family incomes less than $30,000 expressed a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party in April compared with 54% now. A similar decline is evident among those 30 to 49 (61% to 47%).




    Views of the Economy and Personal Finances

    Although the Obama administration and some economists have touted the early signs of an economic recovery, the public is, if anything, more gloomy about the economy than it was two months ago. Ratings of the national economic situation remain dismal, with 52% saying the economy is in poor shape, and 38% saying its condition is “only fair.” People’s assessments of their own financial situation are less negative, but the number describing their finances as “poor” ticked up from 22% in June to 26% today.

    The most notable change in economic views is the decline in the number of people who expect their financial situation to improve over the next year. The June survey found a nine-point increase in optimism since February (from 54% to 63%). In the current survey, the proportion expecting their financial situation to improve has fallen back to 55%. Much of the change since June has occurred among middle- and upper-income people. There was no rise in the percentage who think their situation will worsen; instead, the number expecting things to stay the same has grown.

    Views about the prospects for a national economic recovery are highly partisan, as they have been since President Obama took office. Nearly twice as many Democrats as Republicans (60% vs. 31%) say they expect the nation’s economy to improve over the next year. Independents are somewhat closer to Republicans on this question; just 39% see improvement in the next year.

    While a large majority of Americans (80%) say they have delayed or cut back spending in at least one of several areas, their reasons for doing do have not changed. As has been the case in the past, those who report cutting their spending say they are doing so more as a precaution than because they have been forced to do so by their financial situation. About one-third of those reporting cutbacks (34%) say their personal finances have worsened and led them to make the changes; 47% say they are cutting back because their finances might get worse in the future.
    Obama's health care plan not working out certainly is contributing to his approval rating downfall, yes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
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    http://people-press.org/report/536/w...eaders-at-odds
    Obama's health care plan not working out certainly is contributing to his approval rating downfall, yes?

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    its not working because people dont want it to work. because that would mean obama is a decent president.
    You look great today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    its not working because people dont want it to work. because that would mean obama is a decent president.

    Americans dont know what is good for them.
    Laugh...spin that spin baby. Hilarious so the failed plan that most americans dont want, that has CBO scratching its head how it ads up, that by their own admission doesnt cover everyone...is the fault of the american people that its not working. You cant be serious.

    Beat me to to it. But everyone will be laughing sooner or later when their healthcare costs and social security keep spiraling out of control, but don't worry I hear there's a bottomless pit of cash in China.
    See and what you so painfully fail to grasp here is that Americans want reform, all polls show it but they want reform that you know FIXES THE GODDAMN PROBLEM. If you have an infected leg and your doctor goes here take an aspirin should you say ok and take it and go about your merry way? An aspirin doesnt address the problem of the infection and Obama/Democrats plan doesnt address the problems of health care in this country. So you expect people to support a non solution to a problem and fault them when they decline to do so? As I said the majority of americans WANT reform, hell a good number of them even support a public option they simply dont support the koolaid being offered by the Democrats. The easy solution then would be to you know, come up with a plan that actually addresses those issues but Washington never does anything the easy way if there is a much longer, more profitable tougher way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    See and what you so painfully fail to grasp here is that Americans want reform, all polls show it but they want reform that you know FIXES THE GODDAMN PROBLEM. If you have an infected leg and your doctor goes here take an aspirin should you say ok and take it and go about your merry way? An aspirin doesnt address the problem of the infection and Obama/Democrats plan doesnt address the problems of health care in this country. So you expect people to support a non solution to a problem and fault them when they decline to do so? As I said the majority of americans WANT reform, hell a good number of them even support a public option they simply dont support the koolaid being offered by the Democrats. The easy solution then would be to you know, come up with a plan that actually addresses those issues but Washington never does anything the easy way if there is a much longer, more profitable tougher way to go.
    Your strange analogy went over my head I'm sorry. What specifically is wrong with Obama's plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias View Post
    Your strange analogy went over my head I'm sorry. What specifically is wrong with Obama's plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias View Post
    Your strange analogy went over my head I'm sorry. What specifically is wrong with Obama's plan?
    Nothing strange about it, a solution for the sake of a solution but one that doesnt actually address the problem isnt worth it. Obama is blowing so much political capital hence the approval ratings hit on a plan that americans dont want and which by their own admission wont assure that all americans are covered. And just to be clear here it is not literally Obama's plan since the President doesnt write bills, just approves and signs them but when same party hold all levels of goverment the job is certainly easier or should be.

    As far as what specifically is wrong with the "ideas" being floated out there is Democrats admit the plan wont ensure all americans are covered, so what exactly is the point? That is the key issue here as far as health care reform. Secondly cost, the price tag put on the plan doesnt make any sense, Obama's own CBO questions the numbers they have put forth. So how exactly does it get paid for? We are told taxes wont be raised but yet it seems impossible to implement this plan without it and if they do go up how exactly does that address the biggest problem those americans who are insured have, cost. Right now as others have pointed out America spends more on health care then countries that provide "universal" health care so its going to cost us even MORE and even THEN not everyone will be covered...this is reform?

    Even if this suppose plan was good the debate has already been lost due to failure by Obama to expressed the details, how its being paid for, how the system will be run, is it trying to shutdown private insurance infavor of public (something people do NOT want) etc. Even though alot of the stuff put out there in opposition is overstated nonsense the failure by democrats to express what IS true about their plan quickly and clearly has rendered this plan DOA. I chalk this up to their attempt to ramrod this thing thru congress without much debate, without much disclosure and since they didnt put out this info it raised questions about what they DID plan. Something this big doesnt need to be rushed, it needs to be well planned, well thought out and details out there for all to see. The idea that some 1000+ page bill was going to be written, voted on and signed within a 4 week period on something so large borders on complete idiocy.

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    Americans dont know what is good for them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Americans dont know what is good for them.
    I think they do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    I think they do.
    Like when they lead the world in obesity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Like when they lead the world in obesity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JakethX View Post
    There is 300 million people in this country, and a very small % are fat bastards
    Well uh no its not a small %, 59million people are "obese" in this country but what the original posts amusing ignores (for obvious reasons) the rest of the world is fast playing catch up and the the problem is wide spread.

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    I think his approval ratings are suffering more because of the right wing push to make national healthcare seem evil or something, the whole Death Panels thing is a blatant lie first of all and shows the extent they are willing to go to just to derail the Dems now that they are in power, during the Bush years it was easy to come up with a reason to hate the President but now they have to resort to out and out lies to have the same effect

    However i will admit that the Dems have dropped the ball as far as making the general public completely understand how the new bill will work, doing this might actually stop some of the Reps insanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Americans dont know what is good for them.
    Beat me to to it. But everyone will be laughing sooner or later when their healthcare costs and social security keep spiraling out of control, but don't worry I hear there's a bottomless pit of cash in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren
    Americans dont know what is good for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias
    Beat me to to it. But everyone will be laughing sooner or later when their healthcare costs and social security keep spiraling out of control, but don't worry I hear there's a bottomless pit of cash in China.
    Good to know where you two stand on concepts like Democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    Good to know where you two stand on concepts like Democracy.
    Of course democracy's crap, but there's no better alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias View Post
    Beat me to to it. But everyone will be laughing sooner or later when their healthcare costs and social security keep spiraling out of control, but don't worry I hear there's a bottomless pit of cash in China.
    Health care works great in SO many parts of the world. Why not the United States of Capitalism? Canada seems to do fine, with a tenth the budget of the US. What are you afraid of? A healthy, strong lower class? The end of literal and figurative enslavement for millions? A lowered budget for some nukes you'll never use? What then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingDave View Post
    Health care works great in SO many parts of the world. Why not the United States of Capitalism? Canada seems to do fine, with a tenth the budget of the US. What are you afraid of? A healthy, strong lower class? The end of literal and figurative enslavement for millions? A lowered budget for some nukes you'll never use? What then?
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    Well you have different factions w/in the Democratic party divided on the health care issue.

    If the democrats would get united they'd actually have a chance at passing some bill.

    A party that is not united can't pass .

    Look at the Republican party, no leader, no organization.


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    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    Well you have different factions w/in the Democratic party divided on the health care issue.

    If the democrats would get united they'd actually have a chance at passing some bill.

    A party that is not united can't pass .

    Look at the Republican party, no leader, no organization.
    True, true, but the sensationalism the Reps are using to derail the bill IMHO is whats is causing the bill to falter as bad as it is and contributing directly to the lowering approval ratings...

    I heard today that Obama is considering just leaving bipartisanship behind and just passing it with the Dems only, which goes to your point that even w/o the Reps they still cant get it passed

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