Crime to immigrants topic.

[Ebusitanus]

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[Brain_in_a_vat]

Nice one Sweden! This story is bound to get the Palestinians and Israelis to gather round a fire and sing "Kumbaya".

[Lovejoy]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1108384.html
I understand that the swedish Aftonbladet is not a sensasionalistic rag.
Sweden is the most anti-Israel state in the EU. It's also the most politically suicidal. I actually think that is no coincidence.

Aftonbladet not a sensationalistic rag? Hah! That cracked me up. Aftonbladet have been a sensationalistic rag for many, many years. Its like "The Sun" but much worse. The response from the Israeli government was also pretty funny.

[Lovejoy]

Swedish Foreign Minister, Carl Bildt, respond to demands from "Israel"(?) to take a stance against the new article in Aftonbladet.

"Sweden don't work that way".
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/artikel_3388989.svd

[Seleukos]

Making two threads out of this topic give me 5 minutes.

[Seleukos]

Thread reopened. This is to be a topic on immigrants and the crime, pay, etc. they may cause. Or whatever you were all talking about.

You all stay on topic now or I will go all spider monkey on your asses.

[Kjertesvein]

@ Miss. Monarch

The high immigration groups (in this case norway, but close to sweden) come either from:

1. the rich naighbouring countrys like Germany, Denmark, Sweden.
2. or the more developing nations like Lithuania, Polend, Russia.
3.* or from the areas with (former) wars, like Somalia, Vietnam, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

The last group involves over 350 000(of a total 460 000) immigrants. The last group also comes in waves;

• At the hight of the Iraqi war = huge groups of Iraqis, but now it's calmed down. (second highest group in Sweden, Iraq 109 446 last year)
• At the hight of Afghanistan war(right now) = huge groups of Afghan refugee's make up a new wave.

I know you are talking about group 3* because the focus of this long and very flexible thread(s).

• Are you talking about first hand immigrants( refugees, fresh of the boat from a war in Sudan/Iraq/Afghanistan) ?
  
  • The people who just came out of a living hell all their life.
• People with Immigrant parents( the people with refugee parents, the young have some time to settle )?
  
  • The kids who hopfully had good guidence, should be doing fine.
• or a whole race/orgin of a people(Iraqi, Afghan, etc)?
  
  • The 1,5 billion muslim population are more violant then sweds, regardless of national orgin?

I don't even get your point with saying, "these countrys have war, and the people who live there are more violent then people who was born in the most peacefull country in the world".

[Monarch]

@ Miss. Monarch

Having a girl avatar doesn't make me girl

The high immigration groups (in this case norway, but close to sweden) come either from:

1. the rich naighbouring countrys like Germany, Denmark, Sweden.
2. or the more developing nations like Lithuania, Polend, Russia.
3.* or from the areas with (former) wars, like Somalia, Vietnam, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

The last group involves over 350 000(of a total 460 000) immigrants. The last group also comes in waves;

• At the hight of the Iraqi war = huge groups of Iraqis, but now it's calmed down. (second highest group in Sweden, Iraq 109 446 last year)
• At the hight of Afghanistan war(right now) = huge groups of Afghan refugee's make up a new wave.

Yes I know all this, most nordic countrys have high nordic im- and emigration.

I know you are talking about group 3* because the focus of this long and very flexible thread(s).

• Are you talking about first hand immigrants( refugees, fresh of the boat from a war in Sudan/Iraq/Afghanistan) ?
  
  • The people who just came out of a living hell all their life.
  
  
• People with Immigrant parents( the people with refugee parents, the young have some time to settle )?
  
  • The kids who hopfully had good guidence, should be doing fine.
  
  
• or a whole race/orgin of a people(Iraqi, Afghan, etc)?
  
  • The 1,5 billion muslim population are more violant then sweds, regardless of national orgin?
  
  

First we can see this fact from the Crimepreventing association. The last one is from 2005.

Number of crimes (total in Sweden)
Both parents born In Sweden: 880 525
On parent born in Sweden: 187 127
Both parent born outside Sweden: 100 847
Born outside Sweden: 348 138
Page 30

This also means that someone with one or both parents born abroad has a higher risk of criminality, 1.6
A person who was born abroad, has a criminality risk of 2.5

Now lets look at the origin of the immigrants criminality risks
The first number shows the percentage of the suspects, the second shows the overperformance compared to population.
Both parents born In Sweden 58,9 0,8
One parent born In Sweden 10,4 1,1
Both parents born aborad 5,2 1,6
Born aboread himself/herself (25,6) 2,0

Born in a country outside Sweden:
The North without Sweden 4,7 1,4
EU15 Without Denmark, Finland, Sweden 1,2 1,1
Nya EU10 länderna 1,6 1,8
Remaining european countries including Turkey and Greece: 5,4 2,1
USA, Canada, Australia and Nya Zeeland 0,2 0,9
Other Northamerica, Centralamerica etc. 0,3 2,6
Sydamerika 2,0 2,6
WestAsia(Arabia) 3,4 3,0
Southern CentralAsia(East arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc.) 3,0 2,5
Southeast Asia 0,8 1,7
Östasien(East Asia) 0,2 0,8
Northafrica 0,7 3,7
East Africa 1,5 2,8
Other Africa 0,6 4,2
Unclassified 0,0 1,2
Totalt 100,0 1,0

http://www.bra.se/extra/measurepoint...lsveutland.pdf

Page 37.

I don't even get your point with saying, "these countrys have war, and the people who live there are more violent then people who was born in the most peacefull country in the world".

No, what Im saying is somehow people of Muslim and Arab origin has a high criminality rate. Even though they have been granted the rights to come and live in on of the best (if not the best)parts of the world ,Sweden and the north. Its really irritaing when they manage to rape our girls so much. An immigrant male has a 5.1 larger chance to rape someone.

[Kjertesvein]

So miss monarch, here is your problem, all you are saying is "Arab people = bad. It is so bad that it is in arabs very own DNA to be violent", are you saying that arab people are more violent just in nature? Nothing got to do with it?

BTW: Bit offtopic, but is there one country in ME that has not been shaped by the colonials? Seems like every one of them, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Isreal, Egypt, Afghanistan, have been marked like africa, by the pen.

[Monarch]

So miss monarch, here is your problem, all you are saying is "Arab people = bad. It is so bad that it is in arabs very own DNA to be violent", are you saying that arab people are more violent just in nature? Nothing got to do with it?

No Missis Blackleaf, now you are just reflecting your own prejudices on me.

What Im saying is that there is statistics that clearly show that Islamic immigrants have more problems to intergrate into Sweden, both economically and socially.

[Kjertesvein]

What Im saying is that there is statistics that clearly show that Islamic immigrants have more problems to intergrate into Sweden, both economically and socially.

Do you know why?

[Monarch]

Do you know why?

Insipered by this article, I thinks its becuase of a culture inheritance that does not fit with the Swedish one.

[Kjertesvein]

What Im saying is that there is statistics that clearly show that Islamic immigrants have more problems to intergrate into Sweden, both economically and socially.

From what nationality?
Refugee immigrants or immigrants?

[IvanTheTerrible]

Sweden too huh, illegals already ruined Southwest USA.

[Jehanne d'Arc]

No, if you say something about a specific individual or about members of a political party it's different from saying things about everybody from a certain race or everybody who follows a mainstream religion.

There are over 1 billion Muslims on this world.
To say every single one of them is a violent criminal, is discrimination and not genuine criticism.

Still is freedom of speech.

Yes, you have right.

[Erik]

Still is freedom of speech.]

True.
And if I say the Hells Angels are a bunch of faggots with a leather fetish it's also freedom of speech.

But if you go looking for trouble like that you shouldn't count on my sympathy when trouble does find you.

[Jehanne d'Arc]

True.
And if I say the Hells Angels are a bunch of faggots with a leather fetish it's also freedom of speech.

But if you go looking for trouble like that you shouldn't count on my sympathy when trouble does find you.

True. But (reffering to the last part) the action is criminal and not justified whether your race or believe. Next to that, he still lives in his own (place he was born) country. I never heared someone got killed that way in the Middle-East because he tells in public the West has to be destroyed. Freedom of Speech, and that has been taken away from him, if not us.

[Kjertesvein]

This is the most tragic, offrail thread I have ever withnessed. No topic, no goal, just 2,5 pages with bombardment from a swedish survey no one know of, or can read, becuase of a joke I made earlier at post #9, that drunken norwegian people are more of a hassard then all the palestinians (a totaly insignificant number in itself) in Sweden.

Originally Posted by Monarch
And where the heck do you think half of the people from Syria and Lebanon came from? Do you think Palestine has its own airport?

Lets try that again...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The largest immigrant groups living in Sweden as of 2008 consists of people born in Finland (175 113), Iraq (109 446), Former Yugoslavia (72 285), Poland (63 822), Iran (57 663), Bosnia and Herzegovina (55 960), Denmark (44 310), Norway (44310), Chile (28 118), Thailand (25 858), Somalia (25 159) and Lebanon (23 291). In the last decade most immigrants have come from Iraq, Poland, Thailand, Somalia and China.[100]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Demographics

I would say norwegian winebaggs is a bigger trubble (then the palestinians)

EDIT:
P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-E
not
P-A-K-I-S-T-A-N

Then fianlly at page 3, post #43, "culture inheritance" is the reason behind all this. page 43 the OP finally comes togather.

Mudpits worst thread of the day

[Adar]

This is the most tragic, offrail thread I have ever withnessed. No topic, no goal, just 2,5 pages with bombardment from a swedish survey no one know of, or can read, becuase of a joke

I can read it and Monarch is correct. Immigrants weighter for social factors comin from certain parts of the world are far more likely to commit serious crimes like rape and murder. You can also use it, you just have to use google translate.

I made earlier at post #9, that drunken norwegian people are more of a hassard then all the palestinians (a totaly insignificant number in itself) in Sweden.

Source
I Sverige finns uppskattningsvis 6 000 - 7 000 palestinier. De är huvudsakligen flyktingar och så kallade anknytningsfall. Dessutom finns en mindre grupp palestinska gäststudenter. Den första större invandringsvågen skedde från Jordanien under 1970-talets början. Omfattande grupper har senare kommit från Syrien och från det av inbördeskriget svårt härjade Libanon.

I do not know if you call that insignificant but that is the only number I've found online.In my personal experience are a very large proportion of the Lebanese immigrants into Sweden of Palestinian origin.

[Kjertesvein]

Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille
This is the most tragic, offrail thread I have ever withnessed. No topic, no goal, just 2,5 pages with bombardment from a swedish survey no one know of, or can read, becuase of a joke

I can read it and Monarch is correct. Immigrants weighter for social factors comin from certain parts of the world are far more likely to commit serious crimes like rape and murder. You can also use it, you just have to use google translate.

• As unfair as it might sound, it's not my job to translate anything into english on TWC.
• If people coming from another area of the world and settle in the most peacefull area of the known world, then offcourse. Every kind of immigrant is seen as a threat to swedish girls. There is no debate on that.
• It then is a debate if a civil muslim immigrants comes from Egypt or a refugee from Afghanistan. Not according to Monarch, because its that every arab/muslim is the same big rape-threat to swedish girls - No I don't buy that . That kind of ignorent racism can he easily, and (i bet) willingly, shove up his post's rectum.

I do not know if you call that insignificant but that is the only number I've found online.In my personal experience are a very large proportion of the Lebanese immigrants into Sweden of Palestinian origin.

Last year alone, the high refugee wave came from Iraq, it is over 109 446. Relativly, I do not count a total of 7000 palestinians living in Sweden a signifigcant number.
If they are born in Lebanon, then they are not Palestinian. If they are a anti-isreal is a offcourse debatable, it's not relative to palestinians living in Sweden-debate.