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    http://www.tajikistannews.net/story/532167

    Bin Laden Trail 'Not Just Cold, It's in Deep Freeze'

    18th August, 2009

    The democratisation of Afghanistan, despite its flaws, has been successful. For the second time since the overthrow of the Taliban regime, the population is to elect a new president Aug 20. But the most important aim of the 2001 US-led invasion of the war-torn country has still not been achieved.

    Almost eight years after the Sep 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the US, the Americans have not managed to track down Osama bin Laden, the head of Al Qaeda. Despite a price of $25 million on his head and the use of missile-firing drones, special forces and intelligence services, the location of the world's most-wanted terrorist remains a mystery.

    After years of searching for bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, the US does not even have any promising leads. That was made clear by a memo from a meeting in New York of US security experts involved in the new Afghanistan and Pakistan strategy of the US government.

    'Our counterterrorist campaign focused specifically on defeating Al Qaeda (emphasising the vital necessity of capturing or killing bin Laden), is not just cold; it is in a deep freeze,' the memo said.

    The US expert quoted in the memo added that 'for several years, we have had literally no accurate information about the physical whereabouts of either bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri.'

    It added that, 'We are still at a total loss to understand how Al Qaeda's complex and remarkably secure and efficient command and communications system actually functions.'

    However, the memo said the Al Qaeda leadership might be hiding out in the 'comparatively safe and remote' city of Quetta, capital of Pakistan's Balochistan province. If that is the case, then bin Laden and his associates could find themselves among old friends. The Afghan intelligence service, among others, is convinced that the Taliban leadership around Mullah Omar is in Quetta.

    With his refusal to extradite his guest bin Laden to the US, Mullah Omar provoked the US-led invasion after the 2001 suicide hijackings that struck New York and Washington.

    Bin Laden's last-known hiding place was a cave in Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan close to the border with Pakistan.

    Shortly after the overthrow of the Taliban at the end of 2001, the sheikh, as his supporters call him, managed to flee. Since then, there has been speculation that bin Laden has been hiding somewhere along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

    But then Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf said at the end of 2004 that bin Laden's trail had gone cold.

    However, two witnesses have said they saw the Egyptian doctor al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden's deputy, in a terrorist camp this spring in the north-western Pakistan district of Swat.

    In June, a recorded message was ascribed to bin Laden. In it, the founder of Al Qaeda in his usual manner threatened the US and the administration of President Barack Obama.

    'The American people should prepare to continue to reap what the leaders of the White House are sowing in the years and decades to come,' he said.

    Experts, however, said they doubted that bin Laden himself still organises attacks. But there is no doubt that the 52-year old is a symbolic figure for Islamist terrorism.

    Bin Laden's campaign against the US does not only impress extremists. In a survey in Pakistan carried out last summer by the US organisation Terror Free Tomorrow, more than one-third of respondents said they had a positive opinion of bin Laden. Former US president George W. Bush was far behind him at less than 10 percent.

    It was Bush who said shortly after the attacks on New York and Washington that bin Laden was deceiving himself if he thought he could escape from the US and its allies.

    In spring 2004, a spokesman for the US military in Afghanistan said it was sure it would catch bin Laden that year, but the US government said later that the promise was made in the heat of the moment.

    Washington afterward answered questions about bin Laden with the vague statement that he would get the punishment he deserved - it was just a question of when.

    However, it was also possible that bin Laden could triumph in the end.

    The 2007 Pulitzer Prize-winning book 'The Looming Tower' by US journalist Lawrence Wright, said the 2001 Al Qaeda attacks aimed to provoke the US into invading Afghanistan. It was bin Laden's hope, it said, that the US military would be defeated there just as those of the British and the Soviet Union were.

    In view of the ever-worsening security situation in Afghanistan, even the US government would not predict victory there any more.

    Its White Paper on US Policy Toward Afghanistan and Pakistan, released in March, said, 'The danger of failure is real and the implications are grave'.
    Personally I believe the man is already dead for quite some years. In one of those cave bombings he could well have been buried alife and his followers have not said a word as not to loose one of their battle flags.
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    Are we even really looking for him anymore? I mean he doesnt really strike me as being all that relevant anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    I mean he doesnt really strike me as being all that relevant anymore.

    LOL. Yes..... Until the next major terrorist attack.


    He is in the Federally Administered Tribal Authority of Pakistan, we know where he is. However he has THOUSANDS of soldiers protecting him.

    Lets go into Pakistan. If they try to stop us, we kill them. Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}Warman888 View Post
    LOL. Yes..... Until the next major terrorist attack.





    Lets go into Pakistan. If they try to stop us, we kill them. Plain and simple.
    As it stands right now I think any terrorist attacks by AQ will be organized by its other leaders. They are the ones that we should be focusing on now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    Are we even really looking for him anymore? I mean he doesnt really strike me as being all that relevant anymore.

    His capture would satisfy the Americans he is the poster boy for terrorism
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    If he is still alife, catching him would be a BIG public relations win to matter for who does the cachin´
    Read a napoleonic first hand account of a Hessian serving under the french flag

    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    He is in the Federally Administered Tribal Authority of Pakistan, we know where he is. However he has THOUSANDS of soldiers protecting him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    He is in the Federally Administered Tribal Authority of Pakistan, we know where he is. However he has THOUSANDS of soldiers protecting him.
    Any proof? Or Just anti-Pakistan rambling?

    Lets go into Pakistan. If they try to stop us, we kill them. Plain and simple.
    You have no proof. It is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan View Post
    Any proof? Or Just anti-Pakistan rambling?
    but he's probably right you know

    I think Osama is hiding in the Oval Office
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinggis Khan View Post
    but he's probably right you know

    I think Osama is hiding in the Oval Office
    Under Obama's Rug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan View Post
    Any proof? Or Just anti-Pakistan rambling?
    Well the armies of forces there loyal to him guarding the region seem to indicate, along with the book by Ahmed Rashid...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Well the armies of forces there loyal to him guarding the region seem to indicate, along with the book by Ahmed Rashid...
    So a speculation of a loon (which I beleive Ahmen Rashid is, false creater of the term "New Great Game" and inaccurate information, see the book "Jihad - the Rise of Militant Islam in Central Asia" and a vicisious self promoter) and forces which ran away from Afghanistan is your evidence. So I'll just mark it as speculation until we can pin-point exactly where he is.

    Besides if he is there and so known to everyone, why are the americans so afraid? They can pin point the leader of the Pakistani Taliban and blow up him and his poor wife but they cant do that for Osama? What a joke.

    Edit: If you want to look up any good columnist, see Ardeshir Cowasjee who talks about things going on in Pakistan, Mahir Al, Kamran Shaf, S.M. Shahidor even the columists from DAWN or the News which are a thousands time better,speak true items, actually care about Pakistan and don't self-promote or bend down to westerners which Ahmed Rashid does. Its a matter of listening to different opinions rather than just making your mind up based on one loon.
    Last edited by Central Asian Qaghan; August 19, 2009 at 02:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinggis Khan View Post
    but he's probably right you know

    I think Osama is hiding in the Oval Office
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    As has been said before, he really isn't that relevant anymore.
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    Not in Iraq, apparently.



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    I couldn't care less...

    Let him be and get on with your lives spending money on usefull things.
    Miss me yet?

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    hahaha americAN FOOLS!!!

    you actually elected him to office!!!!

    osama

    OBAMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berke Khan View Post
    hahaha americAN FOOLS!!!

    you actually elected him to office!!!!

    osama

    OBAMA
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIIIILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBAMA BIN LADEN OSAMA BIN BIDEN who'd a thunk?...
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Tell CIA to look for Osama in G. W. Bush house...
    They are pretty close friends...
    One told the other to assume charges on terrorist attacks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddy_purpus View Post
    Tell CIA to look for Osama in G. W. Bush house...
    They are pretty close friends...
    One told the other to assume charges on terrorist attacks...
    the Patriot act was planned long before 9/11
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