Does diplomacy need fixing, VOTE

[Inarus]

Are you sick of greeting Eriador and asking them to ally with the Elves and getting a reply that would be simpler put " off"?

Are you sick of a good faction having more chance of allying with Isengard than with the elves?

Are you sick of being asked for 1200 gold off your rich allys in exchange for Map Information?

If not there is probably something wrong with you.

I play VH/VH btw.

P.S Sorry for misspelling diplomacy in the poll question!

[Blackorc]

If all good faction's got alliance with each other it's to easy. Dwarves don't trust elves so it would not verry lore wise if dwarves and elves got alliance. I play also on vh/vh and never got relation problems when your the strongest faction they all want alliance, With dwarves I even got silvan elves as protecoraat.

[Inarus]

If all good faction's got alliance with each other it's to easy. Dwarves don't trust elves so it would not verry lore wise if dwarves and elves got alliance. I play also on vh/vh and never got relation problems when your the strongest faction they all want alliance, With dwarves I even got silvan elves as protecoraat.

I agree with the Lore Dwarves bit but there are still problems with other factions. All Good factions (except Dwarves) were in a way allied and all should want Trade Rights and alliances.

Frequently as SElves I have asked Rohan for Trade Rights, nothing else and was turned down by an angry man who would be better in the dungeons of Barad Dur than conducting diplomacy. Bugger, someone is going to go on at me about lore, I know it. (Won't explain why because someone else will).

[sebsebseb1234]

I think the deplomacy must be reworked heavily

[Blackorc]

I agree with the Lore Dwarves bit but there are still problems with other factions. All Good factions (except Dwarves) were in a way allied and all should want Trade Rights and alliances.

Frequently as SElves I have asked Rohan for Trade Rights, nothing else and was turned down by an angry man who would be better in the dungeons of Barad Dur than conducting diplomacy. Bugger, someone is going to go on at me about lore, I know it. (Won't explain why because someone else will).

Strange to me they always accept trade rights, And it bothers me that you have trade right as good with evil...

[Raiven]

Frequently as SElves I have asked Rohan for Trade Rights, nothing else and was turned down by an angry man who would be better in the dungeons of Barad Dur than conducting diplomacy. Bugger, someone is going to go on at me about lore, I know it. (Won't explain why because someone else will).[/QUOTE]

Read a book! Men of Rohan don't trust to the "Witch" of wooden realm! Gimli almost enter the Fight with Eomer, when deffending the name and honor of Galadriel!

[Blackorc]

Frequently as SElves I have asked Rohan for Trade Rights, nothing else and was turned down by an angry man who would be better in the dungeons of Barad Dur than conducting diplomacy. Bugger, someone is going to go on at me about lore, I know it. (Won't explain why because someone else will).

Read a book! Men of Rohan don't trust to the "Witch" of wooden realm! Gimli almost enter the Fight with Eomer, when deffending the name and honor of Galadriel![/QUOTE]

I agree Rohan never trusted "Witch" and got same opinion as dwarves who don't like her to (except gimli)

[Costin_Razvan]

Get this campaign AI submod then : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=257051 , does fix alot of stuff

[chdwhite]

Yeah it really seems like diplomacy starting positions have been worked on, but from there the game takes its course (which I like)...I mean in the books, Men could be pretty corrupt even if in Gondor or Rohan...I mean look at Denethor!! Whose to say the palantir did not completely corrupt him and he uses the forces of Gondor to help Mordor? And in the Silmarillion, there were evil Elves too...and Elves fought each other because of greed and power trips. What about the council that created the fellowship of the ring...they were yelling at each other becasue they were not necessarily friends and allies.

I mean I know the books end a specific way, but this game was meant to be controlled by the player...so I agree with the fact that starting positions are "Lore accurate", but players can take the game where they want. Shoot I'd even be excited if Good was allowed to join the forces of Melkor and be answerable to Sauron given they were evil enough.

So my point is, Gondor and Rohan may not like the Elves because the Elves travel through their lands without permission...and I think that is ok. Or the Dwarves may not trust the men of Rohan and Gondor enough to include them in their economies because they are not traditionally allies. You have to decide who you want to be allies with, and do what needs to be done to sway them.....so I like the way it is currently with the xception of my comment above about followers of Melkor.

[Angrychris]

The enemy has the long end of the stick while the good dont seem to like each other that much.

[Inarus]

You noticed what I only realised when I finished typing. Still in times of war I would ally with isengard to avoid attack from 2 angles. (Which is what I did as Eriador, so much safer!)

[Leonidas480bc]

You could role play this as Sauron has caused mistrust amongst the goodly factions. Just because you want to form an alliance with another good faction does not mean they have to accept. They have their own agenda separate from yours. I will add one thing, i think that Mordor diplomats should be able to lower the Faction standings between Goodly factions. So if I was Mordor and sent my diplomat to Gondor i might be able to lower their standing between each other. Maybe even making them cancel their alliance. Good is always the harder road traveled. I would rename all Goodly faction assassins to Constables. With the power to imprison (KIll in game) Evil spies,diplomats and assassins.

[A1_Unit]

Constable! The Uruks are raiding my farm again! Do something!

[Muffer Nl]

No,
Good does not have to like eachother and good is not necisarily good.
In the war of the last alliance only the Elves and Orcs were not divided. All other races were represented on both Saurons and Eru's side.

[Skeleton Of The West]

I dont see any problem here. Not all the good factions must ally each other, nor stay good.

No,
Good does not have to like eachother and good is not necisarily good.
In the war of the last alliance only the Elves and Orcs were not divided. All other races were represented on both Saurons and Eru's side.

This pretty much summarizing everything I have to say about this subjuct

[koultouras]

No,
Good does not have to like eachother and good is not necisarily good.
In the war of the last alliance only the Elves and Orcs were not divided. All other races were represented on both Saurons and Eru's side.

Agreed ...but on the other hand it is not necessairy(let alone non lore-wise)
good factions to engage on war constantly...
Eriador is the main target of dwarves/h.elves in allmost
every hard or v.hard campaign i ve played so far...

[Deathchant]

Definately, my main grumble experience is literally saving Rohan from obliteration, restoring them to Helms Deep, Edoras, West and East Fold over the period of several years, enabling them to position themselves again for war yet when a year later i ask for some Map Information in exchange for Map Information they wouldnt have any of it. Some friend.

Also,

If you ask an ally for 'military assistance' via the 'attack faction' option do they actually do anything worth while?

[koultouras]

Also,
If you ask an ally for 'military assistance' via the 'attack faction' option do they actually do anything worth while?

good point , i only have been assisted once by an ally when i made with him a treaty to
fight together against a certain faction...Not to mention that he asked a fortune to agree
on that even though it was a common foe!

[Deathchant]

good point , i only have been assisted once by an ally when i made with him a treaty to
fight together against a certain faction...Not to mention that he asked a fortune to agree
on that even though it was a common foe!

Did the ally you paid to assist you do anything, did they attack any cities or towns or act aggressively towards any stacks?

I asked for assistance against Isenguard from Rohan, we were all at war. I then watched to see what Rohan would do, on the diplomacy screen it stated 'military assistance - 18 turns'

I watched Rohan but except for some minor skirmish's i would give them 0/10 for effort.

Does that mean in 18 turns you get military assistance or they help for 18 turns?

also i guess is it could be meant to be used to get a faction to declare war on another rather than being used when factions are already at war?

[Beeeno]

MOD is GREAT !!! Anyway I'd tune better diplomacy good/evil factions !!
Thanks for the mod KK and staff !!!