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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090816/...national_parks
    YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. – Family in tow for a tour of national treasures far from Washington, President Barack Obama is trailed by criticism from gun opponents and parks advocates for allowing firearms into such majestic places as this.
    "There is still time for Congress and the president to take steps to keep loaded firearms away from the valleys of Yellowstone, the cliffs of Yosemite, and the Statue of Liberty — but they need to act quickly," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
    A bill that Obama signed in May permits licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as state law allows it. The new law, which takes effect in February, will replace rules from the Reagan administration that generally require that guns in national parks be locked or stored in a glove compartment or trunk.
    "If they wanted to fight that, they could have," said Jonathan Dorn, editorial director of NationalParkTrips.com and editor-in-chief of Backpacker magazine. "That one just felt like a very political decision that was maybe more about politics than about maybe paying attention to the preferences of the vast majority of people who are frequent park users."
    Still, Dorn called the law "one hiccup" in an otherwise supportive parks agenda so far by the Obama administration.
    The Democratic-controlled Congress passed the less restrictive measure with bipartisan support after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., inserted it into Obama-backed legislation imposing new restrictions on credit card companies. Democratic leaders decided not to challenge Coburn, and Obama signed the gun measure without comment.
    Politically, the move thrilled gun-rights advocates such as the National Rifle Association and outdoorsmen. They generally lean conservative, which may help Obama's soft standing with centrists and independents. But it certainly didn't set well with some of Obama's core Democratic constituencies, environmentalists and gun-control backers.
    The Obama family — the president, the first lady and daughters Malia and Sasha, and other relatives — had a busy sightseeing weekend planned: visiting Yellowstone National Park on Saturday and touring Grand Canyon National Park on Sunday.
    "Oh, that's pretty good. Cool! Look at that. That's a geyser there," a casually dressed Obama said as he and his family watching Old Faithful erupt after they strolled up a path with park rangers.
    Earlier, his entourage walked wooden boardwalks and bridges in the steamy Black Sand Basin, where hot springs and small geysers dot the picturesque landscape.
    Their stops come during one of three summer weekends when the administration waived entrance fees at 147 national parks and monuments to spur tourism and boost local economies.
    Less than a year in office, Obama doesn't have much of a record when it comes to the national park system. Nonetheless, parks advocates say the administration has indicated it wants to spend more on parks and expand the parks system.
    At this point, "it's more rhetoric than it is decisions" but "we believe there's a pretty bold and ambitious agenda brewing for national parks in this administration," said Ron Tipton, the National Parks Conservation Association's senior vice president of policy. "We're seeing the interest right out of the box, and we're seeing it exemplified by a president who takes his family to a national park in his first year in office. That's very unusual."
    Dorn, likewise, applauded Obama for "making a pretty significant statement this early in his administration at a time when he's got some pretty heavy things on his shoulders."
    From the outset of his presidency, Obama signaled his would be an administration sympathetic to the parks. He signed legislation that set aside more than 2 million acres in nine states as protected wilderness. That was one of the largest expansions of wilderness protection in a quarter-century. Supporters said the law would strengthen the national parks system; opponents called it a "land grab."
    Since then, the administration has have taken several other steps that have encouraged parks advocates:
    _Proposed cutting the number of snowmobiles allowed daily into Yellowstone in the winter to 318 and requiring guided tours. It proposed a similar policy at other national parks. Wyoming has asked a federal judge to force Yellowstone to allow up to 740 snowmobiles a day.
    _Halted the filing of new mining claims on nearly 1 million acres of U.S. Forest Service land near the Grand Canyon for two years while the administration studies whether uranium mining there should be permanently prohibited. It also has pledged to overhaul a 137-year-old hardrock mining law that favors the mining industry.
    _Devoted $750 million in economic stimulus money to address a maintenance backlog in parks and increased the operations budget request to Congress for parks by $100 million.
    _Picked Jon Jarvis, a biologist and 30-year-veteran who oversees the national parks across the West, to head the National Parks Service.
    How could this be!?!? Obama is suppose to be taking my gun rights away, not adding to them!

    Have we entered the The Twilight Zone?

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    Default Re: Obama allows guns in state parks

    Now when can i get my AK47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazmus The Great View Post
    Now when can i get my AK47
    But you're Muslim.

    Muslim + AK47 = Terrorist

    jk

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    wow


    On topic, it will be interesting to see if gun crimes rise in state parks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DekuTrash View Post

    wow


    On topic, it will be interesting to see if gun crimes rise in state parks.
    Hate to disappoint you, but I think that people out to go on shooting sprees generally pick population-dense areas.

    And I would gladly show you the math that the number of deaths annually from guns are far lower than the number of lives saved if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus View Post
    Hate to disappoint you, but I think that people out to go on shooting sprees generally pick population-dense areas.

    And I would gladly show you the math that the number of deaths annually from guns are far lower than the number of lives saved if you like.
    The question in this case is who used the gun to save lives?

    Cops and Securtiy personal or some average joes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DekuTrash View Post

    wow


    On topic, it will be interesting to see if gun crimes rise in state parks.
    AFAIK gun crime in state parks is almost non-existent. At least where I live, I'm pretty sure we could carry guns in state parks already and I've never heard of anyone getting hurt. I'm sure it happens, but rarely.


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    Good. Maybe this will buy off the dumb rednecks so we can get better healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopasties View Post
    Good. Maybe this will buy off the dumb rednecks so we can get better healthcare.
    Well not all gun owners are Rednecks or Conservatives.. I am far from both and I am a gun enthusiast.. I enjoy hunting and all that however I do think gun laws should be stricter as well....


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    Quote Originally Posted by nopasties View Post
    Good. Maybe this will buy off the dumb rednecks so we can get better healthcare.
    What somehow this will bring the free market truly into health care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nopasties View Post
    Good. Maybe this will buy off the dumb rednecks so we can get better healthcare.
    lol
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    Ah great, just what we need, drunk campers with guns. I predict that there will be a desperate need for a new healthcare system soon.

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    By the sounds of it he just made it a state decision instead of a federal issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamos the Red View Post
    By the sounds of it he just made it a state decision instead of a federal issue.
    Pretty much, actually now I bet most states will start banning guns in parks, and the federal government is off the hook for anyone who disagrees.

    Touche Obama... touche.
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    Good.

    You should not unnecessarily restrict the Second Amendment. And I can't for the life of me think what's wrong with having guns in a wilderness area. Not all bears can be bribed with a picnic basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    Good.

    You should not unnecessarily restrict the Second Amendment. And I can't for the life of me think what's wrong with having guns in a wilderness area. Not all bears can be bribed with a picnic basket.
    Yeah sometimes you need protection.
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    What somehow this will bring the free market truly into health care?
    I was making a biased partisan comment. Obama needs to give conservatives something to go along with healthcare. Giving congressmen and senators something like this will maybe make the bigger healthcare legislation go through. Just speculation considering the timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopasties View Post
    I was making a biased partisan comment. Obama needs to give conservatives something to go along with healthcare. Giving congressmen and senators something like this will maybe make the bigger healthcare legislation go through. Just speculation considering the timing.
    Ummm no.

    Now if concealed carry became a federal law, backed by the constitution, and states couldn't take it away, then maybe, kinda.

    But no, its going to take more than a statement about parks and guns to get people to sell us into another monetary black hole.
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    My shameful truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Ummm no.

    Now if concealed carry became a federal law, backed by the constitution, and states couldn't take it away, then maybe, kinda.

    But no, its going to take more than a statement about parks and guns to get people to sell us into another monetary black hole.
    It got the media to associate him with something other than 'socialist medicine' and those stupid townhall shouting matches.

    This is really a small thing but all Obama and the Dem's need is a certain amount of congressmen or senators. This may have swayed one of them? I do not know, like I said it is speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Ummm no.

    Now if concealed carry became a federal law, backed by the constitution, and states couldn't take it away, then maybe, kinda.

    But no, its going to take more than a statement about parks and guns to get people to sell us into another monetary black hole.
    Having something backed by the constitution (i.e. the Bill-o-Rights and amendments) only protects your rights from the federal government. Unless of course that the amendment in question has been incorporated by the supreme court to include protection from the state governments as well, like civil rights amendments, whereas the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated to include protection from state governments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post

    And I can't for the life of me think what's wrong with having guns in a wilderness area.
    It's called poaching.
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