Does Force Diplomacy exist in 1.04?

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · August 16, 2009, 05:08 PM

I would upgrade, but I have a tasty Epeirote campaign I'm not in the mood to lose.

**RedFox** · August 16, 2009, 05:51 PM

It's in there since 1.0, but it doesn't appear as if it works, but it does. Just click on the "?" button when in diplomacy menu and it will do force diplomacy. I think Spartan made it presentable in 1.07.

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · August 16, 2009, 05:59 PM

Awesome. This will keep me from destroying the kingdom of Syracuse as Epeiros.

**jakobh94** · August 17, 2009, 06:13 AM

Yes It works, do as RedFox says, clicking the question mark on your right in the diplomacy window.
I had fun with it, I conquered all of Seleucids with Diplomacy

Btw, you need to offer something, like 1 Denarii if it's to work.

**Spartan 666** · August 17, 2009, 06:58 AM

The Force Diplomacy script is there, but it had wrong advice entries. Instead of "click to activate force diplomacy" or something like that, it had old vanilla diplomacy help advice. I fixed it in 1.07, now it looks exactly like in XGM. Maybe I could add also the Peace with the Dead script..

**RedFox** · August 17, 2009, 07:37 AM

Peace with the dead would be nice. As for the Vanilla advice descriptions - that was intentional. I used force diplomacy only for internal testing, it wasn't really supposed to be released (because I found it unfair to let the players cheat like that). I guess due to AI being exceptionally retarded at times, the force diplomacy can help improve the gameplay experience to those who play with strict house rules.

**jakobh94** · August 17, 2009, 07:48 AM

Cheating isnt especially fun in strategy games, It isnt fun to be overpowered.

**messiah** · August 17, 2009, 09:03 AM

Hmm, it doesn't seem to work for me. When I press "?" in the corner, it tells me "The Script is Activated". But what do I do then, since the AI doesn't accept what I ask them. And is that script only about Force Diplomacy or about some background details too?

**Scutarii** · August 19, 2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by messiah

Hmm, it doesn't seem to work for me. When I press "?" in the corner, it tells me "The Script is Activated". But what do I do then, since the AI doesn't accept what I ask them. And is that script only about Force Diplomacy or about some background details too?

Force diplo doesn't work on gifts, and you can't demand something the AI doesn't have (ie: absurd amounts of money). Otherwise it should work fine.

**jakobh94** · August 17, 2009, 10:43 AM

try offering them something to, like 1 denarii, It works for me. Like:

Your offers:

1 Denarii

Your demands:

1000000000000 Denarii

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · August 17, 2009, 10:46 AM

It's very useful for role-play reasons; such as in my Macedon file, I have the Achaean league and Sparta as protectorates paying me tribute. Every twenty years or so I'll allow them to attack me, where I annihilate them in a battle, which would historically mean a renewing of tribute.

**Spartan 666** · August 17, 2009, 11:20 AM

@ RedFox: I agree with you about cheating. But sometimes Force Diplomacy can be very useful in gameplay, not only for people, like myself, which play with a lot of house rules. The first thing I can think of is the stupid AI behaviour of asking alliances and attacking you two turns later. Of course, people can exploit the script to cheat and make the game easy, but they would lose all the fun.

About Peace with the Dead, I'll add it.

@ Messiah: yes, as it is now it's kind of unclear. In the next patch it will be clear and easy! And as Jakobh says, sometimes you offer them 1 denarii to make them accept whatever you want.