I want to know, please, what was the average size of a small-medium HRE principality's size during the 1600's-1700's.
Thanks ahead.
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Average size of an HRE principality's size
I want to know, please, what was the average size of a small-medium HRE principality's size during the 1600's-1700's.
Thanks ahead.
Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
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Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
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wait, like in what ways? Population, area?
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Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
Oh, sorry. I don't know how I forgot to add it. I meant army
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Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
I don't think that there can be a usefull answer to this question: in the 17th Century the German states had mercenary armies that varied very much in size, in the 18th Century they had standing armies that were rather constant in size. In the 18th Century some states had as few as two or three regiments (would be some 3,000 soldiers), others could field huge armies of up to 100,000 men. The average size of a single army in that time frame must have been something around 25,000 men; of course, there were several battles in which the armies involved were much larger. I would say that a state that could be classified as 'medium' would have been able to field at least one army of that size.
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Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
A 100 thousand? really? that means at least 2.5 millions, minimum. Do you mean Saxony or Bavaria when you say large?
Campidoctor
Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
Saxony, Bavaria, Prussia, Hanover, Wurttemberg, Baden etc. The states that were of a sizable constitution and able to actually throw around some weight in central Europe. Though you've got to remember that for every one of these powers there were dozens of small tinpot German principalities that couldn't defend themselves from invasion by Andorra.
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Re: Average size of an HRE principality's size
If it helps to give you an idea of the bigger players:
For the 17th century:
Prussia: 4650 (1640), 1800 (1653), 45000 (1661), 30000 (1688)
Austria: 50000 (1690)
(I could also add the Dutch Republic who untill 1648 still nominally was a part of the HRE, they fielded 70000 (1632))
for comparison: France, 338000 (1690)
For the 18th century:
Austria: 110000 (1702), 113000 (1726), 108000 (1740), 161000 (1744), 150000 (1750), 150000 (1762), 170000 (1765), 220000 (1777), 281850 (1790)
Prussia: 26000 (1702), 60000 (1726), 81000 (1740), 132000 (1744), 137000 (1750), 120000 (1762), 150000 (1765), 158000 (1777), 200000 (1790)
Saxony: 27000 (1702), 15000 (1726), 27800 (1740), 37400 (1744), 22320 (1750), 12100 (1762), 26620 (1765), 21840 (1770), 22900 (1790)
Hanover: 18900 (1702), 14400, 22700, 26100, 21940, 37000, 14000, 21000, 17000*
Palatinate: 18000 (1702), 8540, 8390, 10730, 12500, 12000, 11590, 11850, 15750**
Bavaria: 27000 (1702), 4950, 9000, 19500, 6290, 9000, 8000, 8000, 15750**
for comparison: France, 360000 (1710), 110000 (1717), 160000 (1740), 330000 (1756), 156000 (1786)
*numbers correspond to the dates above (I got lazy typing it over)
** Palatinate + Bavaria => 1777: the elector of Bavaria inherits the Palatinate
The numbers are rather self-explanatory when it comes to seeing who held the trumpcards in the HRE.
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