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    Sooner or later the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan could team up with the Taliban with regard to treatment of women! This is just ing disgusting.

    Afghanistan passes 'barbaric' law diminishing women's rights

    Afghanistan has quietly passed a law permitting Shia men to deny their wives food and sustenance if they refuse to obey their husbands' sexual demands, despite international outrage over an earlier version of the legislation which President Hamid Karzai had promised to review.

    The new final draft of the legislation also grants guardianship of children exclusively to their fathers and grandfathers, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work.

    "It also effectively allows a rapist to avoid prosecution by paying 'blood money' to a girl who was injured when he raped her," the US charity Human Rights Watch said.

    In early April, Barack Obama and Gordon Brown joined an international chorus of condemnation when the Guardian revealed that the earlier version of the law legalised rape within marriage, according to the UN.

    Although Karzai appeared to back down, activists say the revised version of the law still contains repressive measures and contradicts the Afghan constitution and international treaties signed by the country.

    Islamic law experts and human rights activists say that although the language of the original law has been changed, many of the provisions that alarmed women's rights groups remain, including this one: "Tamkeen is the readiness of the wife to submit to her husband's reasonable sexual enjoyment, and her prohibition from going out of the house, except in extreme circumstances, without her husband's permission. If any of the above provisions are not followed by the wife she is considered disobedient."

    The law has been backed by the hardline Shia cleric Ayatollah Mohseni, who is thought to have influence over the voting intentions of some of the country's Shias, which make up around 20% of the population. Karzai has assiduously courted such minority leaders in the run up to next Thursday's election, which is likely to be a close run thing, according to a poll released yesterday.

    Human Rights Watch, which has obtained a copy of the final law, called on all candidates to pledge to repeal the law, which it says contradicts Afghanistan's own constitution.

    The group said that Karzai had "made an unthinkable deal to sell Afghan women out in the support of fundamentalists in the August 20 election".

    Brad Adams, the organisation's Asia director, said: "The rights of Afghan women are being ripped up by powerful men who are using women as pawns in manoeuvres to gain power.

    "These kinds of barbaric laws were supposed to have been relegated to the past with the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001, yet Karzai has revived them and given them his official stamp of approval."

    The latest opinion poll by US democracy group the International Republican Institute showed that although Karzai was up 13 points to 44% since the last survey in May, his closest rival, Abdullah Abdullah, had soared from 7% to 26%.

    If those numbers prove accurate, it would mean the contest would have to go to a second round run-off vote in early October. In that scenario, 50% of voters said they would vote for Karzai and 29% for Abdullah.

    The survey was conducted in mid to late July, so it is not known whether Abdullah has made further gains on Karzai.

    He could further increase his chance of victory by joining forces with Ashraf Ghani, the former finance minister who is also running on a platform fiercely critical of Karzai.

    Fifty-eight per cent of the 2,400 people polled by IRI said they would like to see an alliance between Abdullah and Ghani, who is polling in fourth place.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ns-rights-rape
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...fghanistan-law

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    I'm sure this has nothing to do with islam...
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    Default Re: The Islamic Republic of Aghanistan passes barbaric law diminishing women's rights and legalizing rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    I'm sure this has nothing to do with islam...

    Me too! It's not like the kuran degrades women heavily, begging the question of whether its authors were frustrated pathetic weakling excuses for men whom women rejected. And yeah, this goes for the bible too, although I think it degrades women quite a lot less, but, of course, it still does.
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    Default Re: The Islamic Republic of Aghanistan passes barbaric law diminishing women's rights and legalizing rape

    " I'm sure this has nothing to do with islam... "

    Pannonius,

    The word Taleban as I have been led to believe means student. Student of what? Islam of course. So it is all to do with Islam. What we are trying to achieve is a democratic Islamic state, if that is possible, whilst the Taleban wants it to be a fundamentalist Islamic state. What the people of Afganistan want is both sides buttered but they cannot have that because of us the outside forces.

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    Default Re: The Islamic Republic of Aghanistan passes barbaric law diminishing women's rights and legalizing rape

    Didn't really suprise me. Middle east is like a window to the past when we sat on trees and threw each other with . People in middle east are still in that stage and therefore they make the laws accordingly.


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    No words for this..

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    Default Re: The Islamic Republic of Aghanistan passes barbaric law diminishing women's rights and legalizing rape

    Merge with other thread. This has been discussed....and condemned unilaterally.

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    Default Re: The Islamic Republic of Aghanistan passes barbaric law diminishing women's rights and legalizing rape

    Strange, I was just watching a program on CNN where women were allowed to take part in Afghan Star, and didn't have to wear the hijab or burqha. Along with increased efforts in trying to educate women.

    As for Karzai, I think it is time for him to go. His regime always seems to be subverted and corrupted at any given point.

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    That law is simply unacceptable. Karzai is a liability, and the sooner that drug running warlord gets replaced, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    That law is simply unacceptable.
    well it seems it's pretty acceptable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    well it seems it's pretty acceptable...
    If this law is passed the mood in the western world against the war will shift dramatically. ISAF forces leave, and the Taliban will be free to cut Karzai's head off and post the vid on Youtube. I highly doubt Karzai will find that to be the best option available to him.

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    That's a big title...

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    wasn't there a thread on this already?

    anyway it is disgusting, I really hope Karzai is kicked out of power.
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    Keyword: Afghanistan.

    Where is Liberal Interventionism now eh? Where is the ''morally right thing to do'' now eh? Afghanistan was never going to be magically turned into a Democracy with civilised people simply by winning a few battles and killing goat herders. What a waste of time. Karzai? What a joke. As the article said, he sold out the women of Afghanistan to win an election. He'd fit right in Western Elections with that kind of ambitious opportunism. Ghani must win this election in Afghanistan, I don't even care if the USA rigs the bloody vote. Karzai is useless, his family is useless and his allies are useless.

    Also screw Europe. They have no say in this until they put their act together and pitch in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Keyword: Afghanistan.

    Where is Liberal Interventionism now eh? Where is the ''morally right thing to do'' now eh? Afghanistan was never going to be magically turned into a Democracy with civilised people simply by winning a few battles and killing goat herders. What a waste of time. Karzai? What a joke. As the article said, he sold out the women of Afghanistan to win an election. He'd fit right in Western Elections with that kind of ambitious opportunism. Ghani must win this election in Afghanistan, I don't even care if the USA rigs the bloody vote. Karzai is useless, his family is useless and his allies are useless.

    Also screw Europe. They have no say in this until they put their act together and pitch in.
    Well, actually, I'm fairly sure we have a say in whether we deploy troops in an unwinnable war.

    It is unwinnable because of politics of course, which tie the hands of the military from treating it as a war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Keyword: Afghanistan.

    Where is Liberal Interventionism now eh? Where is the ''morally right thing to do'' now eh? Afghanistan was never going to be magically turned into a Democracy with civilised people simply by winning a few battles and killing goat herders. What a waste of time. Karzai? What a joke. As the article said, he sold out the women of Afghanistan to win an election. He'd fit right in Western Elections with that kind of ambitious opportunism. Ghani must win this election in Afghanistan, I don't even care if the USA rigs the bloody vote. Karzai is useless, his family is useless and his allies are useless.

    Also screw Europe. They have no say in this until they put their act together and pitch in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Warrior View Post
    Don't tell this to IPA!


    Seriously, we as Europe should let the Afghans kill eachother, bash books and rape wives, I couldn't care less for such people.
    Those are Afghani internal affairs anyway none of our business, there's no money in that rocky dustbin...
    And we are keeping the bastards in power for the sake of appeasing the White House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Keyword: Afghanistan.

    Where is Liberal Interventionism now eh? Where is the ''morally right thing to do'' now eh? Afghanistan was never going to be magically turned into a Democracy with civilised people simply by winning a few battles and killing goat herders. What a waste of time. Karzai? What a joke. As the article said, he sold out the women of Afghanistan to win an election. He'd fit right in Western Elections with that kind of ambitious opportunism. Ghani must win this election in Afghanistan, I don't even care if the USA rigs the bloody vote. Karzai is useless, his family is useless and his allies are useless.

    Also screw Europe. They have no say in this until they put their act together and pitch in.
    The failings of democracy, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    The failings of democracy, unfortunately.
    nah I would be more specific, the failings of the ISAF to put Karzai in power in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    The failings of democracy, unfortunately.
    Democracy in the hands of idiots maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishHitman View Post
    Well, actually, I'm fairly sure we have a say in whether we deploy troops in an unwinnable war.
    Don;t worry we exclude the Irish from this obligation. Your entire army almost resembles the current UK Afghan task force. But yes, what I meant was complaining that bad things happen in Afghanistan without actually pitching in to help, is very annoying. It's like someone watching you try and pick up a very heavy object and just whining and complaining that you can't do it, without helping you, then a bit of ridicule to boot.

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