Are Cumans Mongol or Turkic orgin

**CelticPagan** · November 20, 2009, 03:11 PM

My friend, Boztorgai_Khan, is correct, but they spoke Kypchac, which is generally aknowledged as a "Western Turkic Language".

**Kipchak** · November 24, 2009, 06:56 PM

Yes Boztorgai Khan is correct.

and for some people here: Cuman, Kuman, Kipchak, Kypchak, Qipchak, Qypchaq etc is same.

**Petar** · December 03, 2009, 10:53 AM

So what about their physical appearance? And how true is that "blonde" myth?

**VINC.XXIII** · December 04, 2009, 03:36 PM

Sure some are blonde,because the nomadics shearch and love the sedentaries women,like chineses,iranians,or slavics or uralic women.Especially women from the great sedenteries cultures like chineses or greeks and iranians.The women are very important objectives of their depredations.The ottomans for exemple have take byzantines princess in marriage.The common turks people have imitate their chiefs.

Ps

etar if you want very pertinent informations,shearch traductions of the books of René Grousset,exhaustives books...

**Ozzmosis** · December 16, 2009, 05:19 PM

Hmm... an Azeri here says that he can't understand Turkmen or Mongol, though he speaks Turkish. I'm Turkish, and I can understand Turkmens, Azeris and Ozbeks very well, for some reason. Their accent can be wierd (pronouncing "kh" instead of just "k") as well as a few different bits of syntax (using a recognisable but not used form of "I" in Turkish). Still can't understand Mongol, though! The differences in the languages must have come just from isolation from each other, but they are all related in the Altai-Ural branch. Although I cannot understand Mongol, I have studied a little and can see many, many common words (such as Tanri-Tengri, yurt, and tumen) as well as bits of grammar.

**~~Sipahi of Rûm~~** · December 16, 2009, 05:43 PM

Cumans (aka Kypchaks) are Turkish people not Turkic or mongol

most of Kypchaks live in black sea region of Turkey

**Angrychris** · December 18, 2009, 03:12 PM

Gotta love those vast wide open plains.

**alibala** · December 19, 2009, 08:10 AM

Boztorgai_Xan what is your nationality?

**alibala** · December 19, 2009, 08:11 AM

Cumans are turkish people not mongol

**alibala** · December 19, 2009, 08:15 AM

Salam Ozzmanis I'm from Azerbaijan )

**Ozzmosis** · December 19, 2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by alibala

Salam Ozzmanis I'm from Azerbaijan )

haha greetings to you too, however, "salaam" is arabic, not turkish! (are there even any "proper turkish" greetings?)
btw it is better to edit posts to add new things, the moderators get angry about double or triple postings.
also I think it is pretty obvious that Boztorgai is an actual Mongol.

**alibala** · December 19, 2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ozzmosis

haha greetings to you too, however, "salaam" is arabic, not turkish! (are there even any "proper turkish" greetings?)
btw it is better to edit posts to add new things, the moderators get angry about double or triple postings.
also I think it is pretty obvious that Boztorgai is an actual Mongol.

Yes "salam" is arab word which means "peace to you" . we have corresponding words for meeting. such "İyi günler" in Turkish which means good days. Why you are so turkofobic?

**Ozzmosis** · December 20, 2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by alibala

Yes "salam" is arab word which means "peace to you" . we have corresponding words for meeting. such "İyi günler" in Turkish which means good days. Why you are so turkofobic?

I'm not at all "Turcophobic" if there even is such a word. Quite the opposite, I am opposed to arab/persian/muslim corruption of our proud Turkic heritage.
İyi günler, or İyi aksamlar, wherever you are.

**Hrobatos** · January 12, 2010, 04:13 PM

you could say that Cumans are Turks but you could also say that Turks are Cumans

**sumskilz** · January 12, 2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hrobatos

you could also say that Turks are Cumans

You could say it, but it wouldn't be correct because not all Turks are Cumans.

**Hrobatos** · January 13, 2010, 04:41 AM

are they? what if turks are just some eastern cuman tribes, in this case turks are cumans are they not?

**VINC.XXIII** · January 13, 2010, 11:56 AM

Hi Hrobatos

Altaic(family)
Turk(sub-family)
Cuman(people)

like you are Indo-european(family),after Slavic(sub-family), in end Horvatski(people)

**VINC.XXIII** · January 13, 2010, 12:00 PM

sorr

**Atabeg** · January 14, 2010, 12:10 AM

Cumans don't exist any more. They were a sort of Kypchaks. About Kypchaks, they are indeed Turkic. One thing you should be aware of that is Turkic is not equal Turk. I m also Turkic but not Turk I.E from Turkey.

Kirgizistan, Kazakhstan, Tatars, Nogais and smaller groups like Karachay-Balkars and Kumyks are modern Kypchak peoples.