[HoI3] GameSpot Review

**Dewy** · August 13, 2009, 02:23 AM

http://au.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/h...ry;read-review

Tell me what you think

Just to point out how the critic can't get the name of PI right, check the box

Paradox Entertainment's third grand strategy go-round with Winston, Franklin, Adolf, and Joseph is a thorough reenvisioning of its predecessors, maintaining all of the game's complexities while distilling the hardcore micromanagement through a mostly superb interface

what Paradox Entertainment? Paradox Interactive was formally a division of paradox entertainment.

Also to spot karma you said "reenvisioning" its re-envisioning

As is typical of Paradox productions, the depth is mind-blowing. Just about everything you could imagine is modeled here.

The last one was acceptable to get wrong but where the hell did you get Paradox productions from?

Another karma, its modelled

I could say many more "typos" but as to quote the critic himself "Just about any native English speaker would be able to correct these glaring mistakes in about 15 minutes, so it's sad to see that Paradox let these go before shipping the game."

Also I hardly doubt a 10 year old would take 15 minutes on fixing the typos. So I don't know who he means by native English speaker

**Lith** · August 13, 2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dewy

The last one was acceptable to get wrong but where the hell did you get Paradox productions from?

I think that's actually correctly written. He's referring to othe productions made by Paradox, he's not calling the company 'Paradox Productions', which is why he hasn't capitilised 'productions'.

Anyways, you have to admit that the number of typo's in the game is quite a joke, there's a huge difference between releasing a game with typo's and writing a review with typo's. For one, nobody's paying to read the review.

All in all, 8.5 is quite a good review considering how obscure Paradox games (or productions) can be seen by the general public. But pointing out his spelling mistakes doesn't undermine his criticism's of the game.

***There may be typo's in my post, please don't go to the bother of correcting them, as I won't really care.

**Kanaric** · August 13, 2009, 09:48 AM

im surprised they are so kind to this game. Its ridiculously buggy and they usually have no tolerance for that at that site.

**Cougar109** · August 13, 2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kanaric

im surprised they are so kind to this game. Its ridiculously buggy and they usually have no tolerance for that at that site.

I don't think the game is all that buggy, a lot of features aren't working as well and I'm sure they intended but the game for the most part works and operates fine.

**Dewy** · August 13, 2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kanaric

im surprised they are so kind to this game. Its ridiculously buggy and they usually have no tolerance for that at that site.

He rated it on what it will be, as we all know Paradox will patch it to greatness

Also, its Hypocritical to complain about a game having typos and making quite a few your self

**Mellons** · August 14, 2009, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dewy

He rated it on what it will be, as we all know Paradox will patch it to greatness

Also, its Hypocritical to complain about a game having typos and making quite a few your self

It should be rated for what is in his hand at the time. Also who pissed in your cornflakes? He was stating its buggy (nothing about typos ingame)and then you get all webster on his a##

**Cougar109** · August 14, 2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mellons

It should be rated for what is in his hand at the time.

Normally I'd agree but Paradox is one of the few exceptions you have to make to the rule. They're a very experienced and very customer oriented company and have been for years. They constantly support their products years after it's release and do everything they can to make their game as playable and as loved as possible. Even the people who are screaming out at Paradox about the shape of the game know it's not it bad. The game itself is there, it's just covered up by some rust and needs a good polishing and Paradox can and will fix their game because they did it with every single title they release.

That = buggy.

To me bugs are something that inhibit the game from actually being playable. The diplomacy shifts being to extreme or or the AI making poor decisions doesn't keep the game from being playable, something that a nasty CTD bug or broken feature that prevents the game from proceeding forward would do. I haven't seen many actual bugs, a lot of features need to be tuned a little better but I've got a good game going and for the most part it's been great and nothing had kept me from progressing forward. I figure since the diplomacy issue will be fixed in either 1.2 or 1.3 I'd get my fill of WW2 craziness.

**Dewy** · August 15, 2009, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mellons

It should be rated for what is in his hand at the time. Also who pissed in your cornflakes? He was stating its buggy (nothing about typos ingame)and then you get all webster on his a##

Too-frequent typos.

Nice reading good to see, its not a forgotten media

Also censor bypassing is against the TOS

**magpie** · August 15, 2009, 06:54 AM

Anyone finding trading a bit odd, I get a message for example mexico wants to buy 12 units? of energy for 1.0 money each day. Next you get a popup a few turns later mexico has cancelled the trade agreement and no longer is suplying 12 units of energy to us for 1.0 money.
I have a feeling that their is a mixup in the scripting for trade in this game.

**hellheaven1987** · August 14, 2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Kanaric

im surprised they are so kind to this game. Its ridiculously buggy and they usually have no tolerance for that at that site.

Not too buggy after 1.1c; still, someone has to modify the AI behavior and stop Communist China bug (the moment when I broke Communist China is my best moment in Paradox games - even greater than annex France in EUIII).

**Musthavename** · August 14, 2009, 04:39 AM

im surprised they are so kind to this game. Its ridiculously buggy and they usually have no tolerance for that at that site.

Lol - See ETW review there.

**Kanaric** · August 14, 2009, 09:38 AM

Lol - See ETW review there.

I know, lol. Its obvious that they dont play the games for very long before writing up a review.

Its not the bugs that bother me about this game, there are a lot of missing events/decisions that NEED to be in the game for it to operate properly. And post-war is by far the most bugged out event in the game.

Anyone who says the game isn't that buggy hasn't played it through.

Does 1.1c fix:
The fact that france will not liberate and vichy, and pretty much THE ENTIRE WORLD will join the allies?
The fact that china can never unify since there is no event so the only alternative is to lower neutrality and raise threat to all the minors.
Japan always gets defeated by some chinese minor.
Nations like poland refusing to surrender resulting in insane post-war scenarios.
Axis minors, and the entire world for that matter, joining the allies. Partially due to important coups/elections not being events or decisions as well.
Save game crashing, didn't see that in the logs
The odd fact that if you are russia and take all of germany that you can't release a unified DDR, you have to release FDR AND DDR or pre-war Germany.

a lot of features aren't working as well

That = buggy.

I like this game a decent amount but it seems a long way off from completion and I can't play it in its current state. My last game as Russia pretty much ruined it for me for a while.

**Carach** · August 18, 2009, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dewy

The last one was acceptable to get wrong but where the hell did you get Paradox productions from?

the fact that paradox 'produce' these games? the guy is just using another word for 'creations' etc

**Sphere** · August 19, 2009, 09:14 AM

The naval play is where I have found the most bugs.

-I have had an AI amphibious assaust loop for about a hundred times, repeating about every second or so.

- I've had fully supplied/fueled fleets unable to move/rebase. (The trick I found was to send them on a patrol mission, and then grab them when they out on the mission, as you will then be able to move/rebase them)

-I think I've seen the AI amphibious assault from a non-ajecent sea tile.

- I've also think I've seen naval bombers unable to attack transports when they are in the middle of an amphibious assault (which is quite frustrating).

That being said there are some nice changes to the naval play; the transport capacity being based on wieght (quite logical). Showing which ships are engaged during combat. And being able to treat CAG units like normal planes.

Theres a lot of cleaning up to do with HOI3 but I think theres enough core improvments to make it a better game than HOI2.

**hellheaven1987** · August 19, 2009, 10:25 AM

Well, for navy my only problem is AI has to use their navy; I have Australian land on East Prussia with Kriegmarine rest in the port (and I land on Denmark with Kriegmarine rest on port, never bother to stop my landing or attacking convoy later).

And IJN AI - godsh, not much to say about it since it is nonexist.

**roy34543** · August 19, 2009, 10:37 AM

How is the game in terms of potential? could you see it rising above the other paradox games and becoming the best one if patched? (Im actually quite curious)

**hellheaven1987** · August 19, 2009, 10:52 AM

Mmm... currently it is not clear due to its buggy status and retarded AI, perhaps after 1.2 patch and the first expansion thing would be more clear...

However, the land combat, division design and new research are a great improvement from HoI2.

**Cougar109** · August 19, 2009, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by roy34543

How is the game in terms of potential? could you see it rising above the other paradox games and becoming the best one if patched? (Im actually quite curious)

Potential for the game is there, when the game plays semi-right it's great fun and once the production AI gets resolves with some of these nations, either Japan gets a boost or the Chinese nations get nerfed, the diplomacy aspect is fixed, give the theater and military AI a bit of love, and a few other little things here and there the game will be great and well above HoI 2 in my opinion.

As for rising above the rest of Paradox games. Well each of their series really delves into separate areas in terms of gameplay so it's hard to say it'll rise above all their games if your not into the hard management of the military. I will say that I believe it has the potential to blow HoI 2 far and away, and if you're a fan of the Hearts of Iron series then yes, I thing has the ability to become the best in that series, if you love deep economics or are looking for a more broad horizon is the other areas then I don't think Hearts of Iron 3 is going to take the cake.

**hellheaven1987** · August 19, 2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cougar109

Potential for the game is there, when the game plays semi-right it's great fun and once the production AI gets resolves with some of these nations, either Japan gets a boost or the Chinese nations get nerfed, the diplomacy aspect is fixed, give the theater and military AI a bit of love, and a few other little things here and there the game will be great and well above HoI 2 in my opinion.

Na, Japan does not need boost, the only thing they need is some AI - yes, currently Japan has no AI, seriously.

I have tested Japan by myself and their beginning army is enough to crash all Chinese one by one.