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    Default Missing Longbows?

    So, just started an English Campaign, and for some reason, I can't find any longbows. I have Caen upgraded the whole way to a fortress and still no longbows. Now, I normally wouldn't mind, except I don't to continue relying on militia archers. I usually have about 4-6 archers in a full stack, so this is a really big problem.

    So pretty much, I want to know if I missed something or if there is a requirement, like keeping Caernarvon as a castle (I had changed it to a town.), getting a woodsman guild or something?

    EDIT: I'm on 6.1 if that helps

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    Default Re: Missing Longbows?

    Did you install RealRecruitment with the 6.1 installer? If so, there's your answer. You should check out the RR/RC thread in the submods forum for details on how RR changes recruitment.

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    If your playing early era and installed RR Longbows should not be availible untill 1220. Though i still dont understand why that is , England were using longbows as early as 1100 in real life after seeing the welsh using them to great effect in the norman invasions the english started using them. Im pretty sure that didnt take 200 years

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    This is probably a very dumb or a very smart answer:

    Don't forget to build archery ranges. You can't train longbows just with fortress or citadel.

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    Default Re: Missing Longbows?

    Yeah, I just got them at about 1215 or so. I was kind of confused because Caernarvon had Welsh Longbowmen when I took it....so I thought I could make them. Thanks for all the help guys.

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    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Archery does not appear to have been especially significant in pre Norman Conquest Anglo-Saxon warfare and the first great English archery victory was the Battle of the Standard in 1138. During the Anglo-Norman invasions of Wales, Welsh bowmen took a heavy toll on the invaders, using short, rough elm bows technically distinct from classic English yew longbows. As soon as the Welsh campaign was successfully over, Welsh conscripts began to be incorporated into English armies. The lessons the English learned in Wales were later used with deadly effect by Welsh mercenaries on the battlefields of France and Scotland. Their skill was exercised under King Edward I of England (r. 1272–1307), who banned all sports but archery at the butts on Sundays, to make sure Englishmen practised with the longbow. As a result, the English during this period as a whole became very effective with the longbow

    The longbow decided many medieval battles fought by the English, the most significant of which were the Battle of Crécy (1346) and the Battle of Agincourt (1415), during the Hundred Years' War and followed earlier successes, notably at the Battle of Halidon Hill (1333) during the Scottish wars. The longbow corps saw particularly heavy casualties at the Battle of Patay and this loss contributed to England's eventual defeat in that war. Longbows remained in use until around the 16th century, when advances in firearms made gunpowder weapons a significant factor in warfare and such units as arquebusiers and grenadiers began appearing. Before the English Civil War, a pamphlet by William Neade entitled The Double-Armed Man advocated that soldiers be trained in both the longbow and pike; this advice was not followed in anything but a few town militias. The last recorded use of bows, in an English battle, seems to have been a skirmish at Bridgnorth, in October 1642, during the English Civil War.[14][dead link] Longbowmen remained a feature of the Royalist Army, but were not used by the Roundheads. By the 19th Century skilled longbow men had all but vanished. The Duke of Wellington even asked for a corps of longbows to provide a force producing more rapid fire than guns could. It would have been particularly devastating against the then unarmoured targets in his Napoleonic campaigns, but he was told that no such skilled men existed in England any more.[citation needed].
    source: wikipedia


    I guess getting to actually train/recruit longbows yourself around 1200 is historically correct-ish, but the inability to recruit Welsh Longbow mercs until 1180 is not.

    Easy enough to fix though: just remove 'start_year 1180' from their entry in the descr_mercenaries.txt
    Last edited by Tobz; August 14, 2009 at 07:33 AM.

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