Umm, police slam elderly lady into pavement

[Da Skinna]

I hate these threads but this was kind of like WTF?

I think the old lady had a knife or something, but what was wrong with talking to her? She's 84. Does it matter she had a knife?
Here's a news link.

And here's the video:
http://vodpod.com/watch/2018744-beat...-ohio-08012009


Christ you can break someone in half at that age. My grandmother is 87 and can't lift a big of groceries.


We get it, you're a cop, but act like your better than that.

[bushbush]

ya there was no need for the body slam...excessive use of force.

[Jaketh]

ya there was no need for the body slam...excessive use of force.

theres always a need for bloody exessive force

[Da Skinna]

People are calling it racist, but I think it was simply poor judgment.

Firstly, why approach an elderly lady with a knife? People were walking past her and knew she wasn't doing any harm. Of course I'd like to know the full story of her having a knife out like that.
Secondly, throwing her over your shoulder is like tossing a bag of rice, it's not hard. She was bleeding from the impact. You don't toss small children, dwarfs and the elderly. You know this just by living.

[danzig]

Guess you missed the part that the reason the cops were called and the guys were filming was because she was waving a knife around in the parking lot. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews Sorry but old Alzheimer woman waving a steak knife at people in a public area isnt exactly a safe thing to have going on. A case where a video is misleading since even the guy who filmed the video said the female cop was doing her job.

Firstly, why approach an elderly lady with a knife? People were walking past her and knew she wasn't doing any harm. Of course I'd like to know the full story of her having a knife out like that.
Secondly, throwing her over your shoulder is like tossing a bag of rice, it's not hard. She was bleeding from the impact. You don't toss small children, dwarfs and the elderly. You know this just by living.

What are the cops suppose to do when called to a situation where someone is wielding a weapon wait until she DOES do any harm or harms herself? Cops job is to subdue someone a danger to themselves or to others, would you prefer if she tazered the woman? While its not pleasant to see a cop toss someone to ground like that there isnt exactly many alternatives and 87 or not better the woman tossed to the ground and gets a cut vs her stabbing someone or herself.

[Erik]

What are the cops suppose to do when called to a situation where someone is wielding a weapon wait until she DOES do any harm or harms herself?

step 1) Warn the public and tell them to keep their distance.
step 2) Talk to her until she puts the knife away. (be patient, could take some time)

In case step 2 fails: carefully take the knife from her by force.

[danzig]

step 1) Warn the public and tell them to keep their distance.
step 2) Talk to her until she puts the knife away. (be patient, could take some time)

In case step 2 fails: carefully take the knife from her by force.

And IF she stabbed herself? The news headline would be cops too scared to disarm 87 year old woman and watch as she kills herself. As I said there is so much second guessing here that it is laughable.

Well I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to someone else who obviously knew what he was talking about.

That's funny cause there is exactly 1 post in this thread that is critical of cops behavior who did so logically and with an alternative on what they THINK should have happened, everyone else has been chirping in like a parrot cop=bad.

[Erik]

And IF she stabbed herself?

Like I said: They could carefully take the knife from her by force. (with the emphasis on carefully).

What would you do, honestly, if someone was advancing on you with a weapon that you know could end you in a flash? Would you realy try reasoning with them untill they came to logical conclution of puting the knife down? Some how I don't think you would try talking for that long. Why should it be any differant for the cops?

LOL, would you really be scared of that old lady?

Maybe it's part of the American nature to freak out and be scared to death by the mere sight of a sharp object, but I have been in a lot more scary situations than than without loosing my cool.

Yes cause there is only one right decision in this situation right?

There are probably more than one right decisions, but the decision made by the cop in the video was clearly the wrong one.

[MadBurgerMaker]

So.....the old lady is okay? The cop is okay? All the bystanders are okay?

[Kamos]

Like I said: They could carefully take the knife from her by force. (with the emphasis on carefully).

Perhaps the officer tried that, there's a clear point in the video just before the takedown that we can't make out what's going on very well at all. Perhaps she tried to remove it and the old women reacted badly forcing her to do the throw.

So.....the old lady is okay? The cop is okay? All the bystanders are okay?

Pretty much, the old lady probably broke her skin on the fall causing slight bleeding.

[danzig]

Maybe it's part of the American nature to freak out and be scared to death by the mere sight of a sharp object, but I have been in a lot more scary situations than than without loosing my cool.

Funny some people talk about this being an indication of violent american culture but yet you apparently are routinely involved in knife fights in europe.....go figure

There are probably more than one right decisions, but the decision made by the cop in the video was clearly the wrong one.

In your opinion which negates your comment that you hope the guy you were responding to isnt a cop since Police Chief backed the cops actions, the guy who was filming it etc because no it isnt "clearly" the wrong one. It solved the situation, no one was seriously hurt, yes the woman got tossed and bled some but she'll live. I consider any decision that no one gets seriously hurt and the issue is resolved a good one.

[Disaray]

So the cop lost her cool? Realy? Cause it lookd to me like she kept things well undercontroll; she didn't even stop on the old lady's neck. Why is it unreasonable for someone to defend them slef from another person advancing on them with a deadly weapon? As a previous poster illistrated that old lady was well capable of killing someone and there is no telling what she had planed on doing. Add on top of that the cop orderd the lady to drop the knife at least three times while the lady advanced on her all the while befor the cop did anything to stop her. If you look into the SOP of police agancies around the nation you will find that this was a textbook handling of a dangerous person.

[Chukada1]

LOL, would you really be scared of that old lady?

Mabye you are accustomed to seeing fat weak defeated old quacks in the Netherlands, but personally my Grandmother is one of the toughest people I have ever met. She has gone through more hardships then you ever will, and I'm pretty sure she might get more excersize today then you would.

That said, in regards to this particular INSANE women. If I was attacked by anybody, be they an old lady or a kid, and they had a deadly weapon, my survival instinct would force me to defend myself, until she was disposed. The very fact that you are so quick to shame the police is appalling. How the can you take a knife "more carefully." This isn't a hollywood movie, you can't reason with crazy people, and you can't reach out and pull the knife away slowly while you point to the sky saying "look its a bird!"

[Disaray]

step 1) Warn the public and tell them to keep their distance.
step 2) Talk to her until she puts the knife away. (be patient, could take some time)

In case step 2 fails: carefully take the knife from her by force.

What would you do, honestly, if someone was advancing on you with a weapon that you know could end you in a flash? Would you realy try reasoning with them untill they came to logical conclution of puting the knife down? Some how I don't think you would try talking for that long. Why should it be any differant for the cops?

Hell we arm and train them to do these kind of things, why do we get all pissed off when they actualy use those arms and training in situations that are trained to use them in?

[Da Skinna]

That's why I wanted to know the full story of just what the hell she was doing with a knife.

There's doing your job, and then there's doing a good job.

[Captain Jin]

It might have been a bad idea for her to do that, but her method was text book. You can question bad judgment on part of the cop, but she simply disarmed the lady in the manner she was trained, especially considering the fact that the old lady was swinging the knife at random people in the parking lot.

[favre4ever]

+ rep for the police
Everyone lives, its a good day.

[Treize]

Not opening link...

In America I guess?
There police is very very brutal, it has to be in the USA.

[danzig]

Not opening link...

In America I guess?
There police is very very brutal, it has to be in the USA.

So translation you arent going to read what happened and going to judge it anyway right...despite the fact I mentioned the contents of the article of the woman having alzheimer and wielding a knife around in a parking lot? Way to go there bub.

Could an old lady really kill someone?

I'm skeptical of how efficient she would be...

Well if you are walking by and dont expect it why not? And what if she slashed a kid? Besides why does she need to kill someone to be a threat, surely random people slashing you in a parking lot is danger enough no? Sorry but this is second guessing a luxury cops dont have, her age is irrelevant what matters to them is someone is in a parking lot with alot of people around waving a knife around.

[Da Skinna]

Could an old lady really kill someone?

I'm skeptical of how efficient she would be...