Stupid AI

[Dava2710]

I know it's not TA problem but since I play TA i just though I'll put it here.
AI is very stupid and pasive when they are besieging my city and I counter them (when I have some archers I do it everytime viz. images) they just stay and let me shoot them like cows (well, some very old and lazy cows which don't care about dying).

check this: When I have 1 archer unit, I can defend my city against 5 units of orks. Enemy archers are bit of a problem but I play Silvan elves so I've got much larger AOR.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/365...9081217354.jpg
I shoot from this angle so I don't get close to archers. I didn't kill archers cause they are no real threat to me when defending a siege and they could kill some of my men.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/438...9081217373.jpg
This is how their remaining soldiers looked like. Almost no melee units.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7...9081217380.jpg
tadaaaa, they won't attack, they'll probably just leave or w8 another turn. In that case I will counter them again and finnish them off.


So, I am asking about some AI increasment, cause I don't even believe my computer is able to be that stupid...
btw: playin' VH/VH

[axnsan]

Nothing new really...

Just don't sally out on the AI and you'll be fine

[Dava2710]

but then I will lost too many cities :-/
I am not cheating or anything like that, I just take advatinge of their stupidity, not intentionally but it's just how it is :-/

[axnsan]

Keep your cities garrisoned so that you don't have to exploit the stupidity of the ai to keep them.

Obviously 1 unit of archers wouldn't be enough to defend from 1000 orcs if you didn't cheat...

[Dava2710]

I don't cheat. It's not like I was counting on enemies stupidity, I am always ready to break out and run back to the city when they move. And I don't leave only 1 unit to defend the city if there is a possibility of enemy attack. It's just I realy have no idea how they get there, it's on the middle of my territory.

[Dea Paladin]

axnsan he uses their stupidity to kill them. What he means is that he doesnt use cheats using the console.

[axnsan]

Well I don't know what satisfaction you get from exploiting the stupidity of an already stupid AI, but meh.

[P|A|ntZ]

Give that little archer-sally tactic a try against trolls or catapults and you'll have a different outcome.

[Mac-Picsou]

simply use my tactics!

Play in Medium/Medium an act as your general traits!

By example, with a general with a lot of fear and 3 star in command, i just charge the ennemy, even when that is stupid!
when i got a noble general with 3 stars only, i charge for the glory, even when it's stupid!
when i got a very smart general, i act as a good player
when i got a dummy with no fear/bravour, i just charge with my longbowmen, charge in pikes with my cav... Or i can make him success in order to make them a better general!

[Blackorc]

simply use my tactics!

Play in Medium/Medium an act as your general traits!

By example, with a general with a lot of fear and 3 star in command, i just charge the ennemy, even when that is stupid!
when i got a noble general with 3 stars only, i charge for the glory, even when it's stupid!
when i got a very smart general, i act as a good player
when i got a dummy with no fear/bravour, i just charge with my longbowmen, charge in pikes with my cav... Or i can make him success in order to make them a better general!

Lol no offence but I think that aren't tactics=p

[Achilla]

Lol no offence but I think that aren't tactics=p

These are roleplaying values, in absence of any real tactic being used by the 'dummy' AI opponents.

[Warmaster Tibs]

when i got a dummy with no fear/bravour, i just charge with my longbowmen, charge in pikes with my cav... Or i can make him success in order to make them a better general!

Man you would be scrude if you played SS. Generals are all idiots as it is realistic.

[axnsan]

Yeah. Instead of having 800 dead orcs you'll have 12 alive trolls with arrows all over their body.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sick of the fail AI hmm? then use this battle AI mod ( basicly XBattle AI ) , it changes the way things work by a lot

[Germanicu5]

Sally-out stupidity is hardcoded, coz CA was too lazy to implement slightly different AI settings needed for such battle, so they used the famous "let's stand and do nothing until enemy is 20m from us" AI setup.
No AI file combination will fix that, although current TATW AI eliminates a few sally-out exploits (luring archers to players' walls notably).

Regards

[Jopo]

Dave,

as you already know the AI in ME2 or any Mod based on it, is far from brilliant. While you are not cheating, you are exploiting the AI. This is something most of us have learned not to do to get at least a small bit of challenge out of the game.

While I wont tell you how to play your game, I will say you'll get nothing but grief from the forums when you use explotive tactics and then complain about stupidity. I personally govern myself with many "house rules" to make it fun. I suggest you do the same.

Here's your first rule: 1) Do not exploit the AI. 2)Do not defend the city center. Be a man and defend the walls. Losses are going to happen, take as many enemies with you as you can. The rest you can make up as you wish.

Anyone suggest an AI mod that lets the AI use more than one ram? I hate that. Currently running 1.2 with no sub mods.

[Germanicu5]

Nope, no single AI army uses more than one ram at once, that's hardcoded (that's why battle AI modding is so unrewarding - there's a limited list of behaviours we can influence and ppl always say some part of AI "sucks" even if we did our best).

Regards

[OfficerJohn]

In Rome, the AI always moves out of range from the walls and towers.
Then it sits there, waiting for ya!

[Dava2710]

same here, they won't let towers kill them

[Germanicu5]

@OfficerJohn
In RTW the AI was different and it quite often ended up attacking walls instead of defending. And in MTW it also reforms to more than tower-range, which would be enough to conduct a proper defense - if CA didn't limit AI activities compared to RTW.

Regards