Hardcoded limits

[Riannorix]

Sorry, if i actualize this topic, but there are another limit for the 3d model:

We can have only 9 objects.
These 9 objects are or can be:
-legs (+ feet)
-arms (+ hands)
-body (with head and helmet, for helmet i am not sure)
-pouch
-primaryactive weapon
-secpndary active weapon
-shield
-plume
....

But i think that we can have more object, the best is to group them (for sample: primary and secondary active together, RTW will believe there are one object).
I didnt tested for MED2.


In the beginning of this topic, i read the limit of polygon was 20 000 for strat_model, and for model_unit? I didnt found in the wiki and in TW.org forum.

For the EDU/DMB, we can broken the limit, in fact, not exactly, Tone use a special technic for his texture with RS2.

[Halie Satanus]

Ideally, CA should have released updated .exe files supporting all features for all 3 games, but that's just wishful thinking.

*Sigh, if I had a pound for every time I thought the same ..

[Acroneos]

Hello! Maximum amount of historical events in RTW 1.6 (BI) is 240!
With historic events I mean also plagues and volcanoes!

[Emperor Domitianus]

I am waiting for your suggestions people.. ;-)

[Aradan]

Alex, then.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Ok thx a lot man. I hope I can still ask you in future if I need help..

[Spartan 666]

I have been told more than once that having more than 30(or 33, something like that) units in the recruitment scroll makes the game crash. Well, sometimes I have 40 or more units and no CTD happens...

[Squid]

30 is definitely the limit.

@Spartan 666 - Remember that there are less than 10 units in a row on the recruitment screen, so just because you have 4 rows to chose units from does not mean that you have >= 40 units that can be recruited.

[pannonian]

32 is the limit. That may have been my first interaction with Sim.

On the city scroll, on the recruitment screen, there appears to be a limit of 32 units available (3 rows of 9 plus another 5). Adding a 33rd CTDs. Is this a hardcoded limit, or can it be changed somewhere?

Yeah. The unit list is arrayed in rows of 9, and there is a scroll bar on the right when you get past the first 2 rows. However, once the number of recruitable units goes past 32, going to the recruitment screen CTDs.

Oh, and I'm using 1.0 vanilla.

[Against The Grain]

Thx all for the replies. My case though shouldn't be the recruit number limmit per settlement but something else. As the crash happens when i try to open the building info (or cards or whatever - hope it's clear enough cause answers wasn't exactly on that and my english isn't good) only of the last 2 levels of barracks and stables (deppending on faction). Thats why i suspect it has to do with high number of units. Could it be something with units per building per settlement or max number of units a building description can hold? Or have i messed up something i ignore as a beginer?

[makanyane]

Thx all for the replies. My case though shouldn't be the recruit number limmit per settlement but something else. As the crash happens when i try to open the building info (or cards or whatever - hope it's clear enough cause answers wasn't exactly on that and my english isn't good) only of the last 2 levels of barracks and stables (deppending on faction). Thats why i suspect it has to do with high number of units. Could it be something with units per building per settlement or max number of units a building description can hold? Or have i messed up something i ignore as a beginer?

Do you have any units who's recruitment is conditional on another building being present? If you do and they are built in a building that also has some other bonus (like races) that can cause a CTD when you try and view building info.

[Against The Grain]

Do you have any units who's recruitment is conditional on another building being present? If you do and they are built in a building that also has some other bonus (like races) that can cause a CTD when you try and view building info.

This should be it, thx

Any clue why it happens/ if it can be fixed without removing the bonuses?

[Squid]

Another typical no message CTD on the recruitment window is with traits/ancillaries missing text descriptions. If you have family members or recruited generals in the settlement take them out and then try to view the building scroll.

[Aradan]

It happens because EDB is coded weirdly.

You can fix it, indirectly. You can:
1) Give that unit a weapon type that is unused by any other units
2) Make the core buildings give a penalty to that weapon type (a unit with a weapon type that receives modifiers the total of which < 0 becomes unavailable for recruitment)
3) Make the required building give a bonus to that weapon type which will negate the penalty from the core building
4) Remove the condition which includes that building and causes that CTD

I'm sure Mak MoN someone will come up with a more straightforward way...

[Against The Grain]

Well it seems like it wasn't just the extra bonuses. Noticed that late stables caused the cd when trying to open the building info scroll due to the races bonus. And removing it as Makanyane said fixed this as an overall stables problem.

But in some provinces with high number of units per building, at the last levels of barracks/stables (after removing the bonuses), it still happens. Tried removing some of the units recruited in those areas and it worked. So it might be:

a) Reaching the unit limmit will cause ctd even at building info opened from building browser, even without having the invalid number of units recruitable yet.

b) Building info display or units recruitable per building have a limmit.

Or something i got no clue about..

Any ideas?

[Aradan]

Probably exceeded the limit of 30 units available for training. Try putting those buildings back in, but outcommenting their recruitment lines in EDB.

[Against The Grain]

For sure it works ok with less units. What mostly wanna mention is this (said it but either it's not important or u didn't pay attention to it, and that's what i find strange here and not sure its the 30 unit limmit):

I've understood that at 30 units recruitable at the que ctd comes. But till they appear at the que it's ok. But my ctd is caused when trying to open the building info at the building browser at the first turn of the game, with low number of units recruitable. And also counting that a stable or barracks will contain less than half of the units for the region. So that's why i think it might not be just the limmit.

[MasterOfNone]

Do not use buildings as conditionals for unit recruitment lines (unless you use the building image to mask the text).

The bonus problem, if I remember rightly, kicks in once only a few units are active in a region anyway.

You should post your code and then Mak or Aradan will be able to help you more

[AqD]

the limit is only put on elements with "skin" modifier as far as I know.

[MasterOfNone]

Originally Posted by kongming
In export_descr_character_traits, the maximum number of "Affects" results that you can have in a single trigger is 11. Exceeding this number results in a CTD during loading.

Interestingly I had this issue lately and found that 10 was the limit, and the 11th caused the CTD. However, it might be due to the total number of lines rather than just the Affect lines - something someone with more time than me may want to test.

I also found the CTD occurred during the end-turn phase and not durung campaign or game load.