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    Default The 'secret' safety map of Afghanistan.

    I found this on a forum, and here's the English version:

    KABUL (Reuters) - Almost half of Afghanistan is at a high risk of attack by the Taliban and other insurgents or is under "enemy control," a secret Afghan government map shows, painting a dire security picture before presidential elections.
    The threat assessment map, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters, shows 133 of Afghanistan's 356 districts are regarded as high-risk areas with at least 13 under "enemy control."
    The map, which bears the logos of Afghanistan's Interior Ministry and the army as well as the United Nations Department of Safety and Security, was produced in April 2009, before a dramatic escalation of violence ahead of the August 20 ballot.
    The Interior Ministry was not immediately available for comment despite several telephone calls and emails on Wednesday.
    The map shows virtually the entire south of the country under extreme risk of attack, a vast swathe stretching from Farah in the west through Helmand province in the south and east toward provinces such as Paktia and Nangarhar near the Pakistan border.
    The Taliban have vowed to disrupt the poll and have called on Afghans to boycott the vote. Their traditional strongholds have been in the south and east but their influence has steadily spread to the west and north, even to the outskirts of Kabul. It shows at-risk areas on three sides of the capital.
    In a dramatic attack demonstrating their new reach, Islamist insurgents fired up to nine rockets into the capital early on Tuesday, the first attack of its kind in several years.
    Attacks across the country this year had already reached their worst level since the Taliban were toppled by U.S.-backed Afghan forces in 2001 and escalated further after thousands of U.S. Marines launched a new offensive in Helmand last month.
    The offensive, and a similar British thrust in Helmand, were the first under U.S. President Barack Obama's new regional strategy to defeat the Taliban and its Islamist allies and stabilize Afghanistan.

    CRUCIAL TEST
    Escalating violence threatens to overshadow the ballot, which in turn is seen as a crucial test of Obama's new strategy and of Kabul's ability to stage a credible and legitimate ballot.
    "The Afghan National Security Forces and the International Security Assistance Force are ready to secure the upcoming elections and we expect that no major security incident will take place during the elections," said Ministry of Defense spokesman General Zaher Azimy.
    The United Nations confirmed the map's authenticity but said it had merely played an oversight role, helping with graphics.
    "The map is an Afghan government map," said U.N. spokesman Aleem Siddique in Kabul. "It's certainly not for us to speak publicly on it or comment on it or define it," he said.
    The map, entitled ANSF Provincial/District Threat Assessment, 23 April 2009, provides some of the first concrete evidence of poor security that may threaten voter turnout in Afghanistan's southern Pashtun belt, President Hamid Karzai's power base.
    Potentially poor turnout in the south is one of the biggest threats to Karzai's chances of re-election. He is the clear front-runner in a slowly diminishing field of 35 challengers.
    A poor turnout in the south would increase the likelihood of a second round run-off if no candidate gets more than 50 percent in the first round of voting, election observers say.
    That would in turn open the chance for one of Karzai's main rivals, former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah or ex-finance minister Ashraf Ghani, to build a coalition to take on Karzai, who has ruled since 2001 and won the first direct vote in 2004.
    The ANSF threat map also appears to back up fears first expressed by think-tank the International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) that much more of Afghanistan was under threat than the government and foreign forces had acknowledged.
    It said last December the Taliban held a significant presence in 72 percent of Afghanistan by the end of 2008, a dramatic increase on the previous year. Their research was based on one or more reported attacks in an area a week.
    NATO and the Afghan government, however, rejected the ICOS report, formerly known as the Senlis Council, saying the Taliban were only present in the south and east.
    (Additional reporting by Golnar Motevalli and Jonathon Burch in KABUL; Editing by Bill Tarrant)
    The Map.

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    Closeup of Uruzgan:
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    *A few small notes:

    1. The divisions between the districs are a bit black-and-white.
    2. It give no info on who the enemies are per region, most people think that's only the Taliban but that's incorrect.
    American map (2008):
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    That country is FUBAR...
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    I seem to recall, possibly incorrectly, that a while back a far larger part of Afghanistan was painted as high-risk. So, does this actually indicate improvement or is my memory just wrong?
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    Default Re: The 'secret' safety map of Afghanistan.

    I take it this is before the recent offensives.
    According to the Theory of War, which teaches that the best way to avoid the inconvenience of war is to pursue it away from your own country, it is more sensible for us to fight our notorious enemy in his own realm, with the joint power of our allies, than it is to wait for him at our own doors.

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    Default Re: The 'secret' safety map of Afghanistan.

    There has been numerous offensives, all have little effect AFAIK.
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    From what I've heard the recent offensives have been a success. Operation Panthers Claw and the like.
    According to the Theory of War, which teaches that the best way to avoid the inconvenience of war is to pursue it away from your own country, it is more sensible for us to fight our notorious enemy in his own realm, with the joint power of our allies, than it is to wait for him at our own doors.

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    Since when did 133 become almost half of 356? It is barely over 1/3.
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    Default Re: The 'secret' safety map of Afghanistan.

    Quote Originally Posted by King Edward III View Post
    From what I've heard the recent offensives have been a success. Operation Panthers Claw and the like.
    the same problems still exist. british troops go in, remove the taliban. cant stay due to not enough boots on the ground, withdraw, taliban take it back.

    FYI most of the operations have been a success. infact i cant remember one that hasnt been. The goals of "remove taliban from X,Y and z" have always been met. the problem is keeping the gains made which they still haven't got right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    the same problems still exist. british troops go in, remove the taliban. cant stay due to not enough boots on the ground, withdraw, taliban take it back.
    Yes, however the purpose of the recent operations have been to take and hold ground to put pressure on the Taliban while the presidential elections go ahead. So I'd expect some black areas to come into coalition hands.
    According to the Theory of War, which teaches that the best way to avoid the inconvenience of war is to pursue it away from your own country, it is more sensible for us to fight our notorious enemy in his own realm, with the joint power of our allies, than it is to wait for him at our own doors.

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    Default Re: The 'secret' safety map of Afghanistan.

    A few villages and things will not turn a black district green.
    I'm not sure, but when we capture something they do the same I guess.
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    Why not just partition the damn country and work with it bits at a time?

    It's easier to secure and rebuild a small country / province rather than doing everything at the same time. Develop the green areas while walling off the red / black, and only when you're done in the "safe" provinces do you move on.

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    The Taliban just moved to other areas like Farah province

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    the same problems still exist. british troops go in, remove the taliban. cant stay due to not enough boots on the ground, withdraw, taliban take it back.
    You absolutely HAVE to spend the nights in the villages. Just like the USMC did in Iraq, you find and rent a strategic house, or at least build a small FOB outside the village, and stick a platoon in there. Send out Marines to patrol the streets day and night, establish a permanent presence, along with the ANA, and build trust with the locals. No one's going to give you the location of a Taliban commander if they know that his soldiers will be at their door that night. It requires more troops, but it's the only way to win. Without the trust of the locals, built by offering them real protection, you cannot win a COIN operation.

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    You absolutely HAVE to spend the nights in the villages. Just like the USMC did in Iraq, you find and rent a strategic house, or at least build a small FOB outside the village, and stick a platoon in there. Send out Marines to patrol the streets day and night, establish a permanent presence, along with the ANA, and build trust with the locals. No one's going to give you the location of a Taliban commander if they know that his soldiers will be at their door that night. It requires more troops, but it's the only way to win. Without the trust of the locals, built by offering them real protection, you cannot win a COIN operation.
    ALl very nice, but didn't McChrsytal or one of aids say that they might concentrate on the cities?? Some of them being under direct threat, including Kandahar. In other words pull back. In order to do what you say you need at least 300.000 men.

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