First Video I Have Seen Calling For Iranian Military To Turn On Khamenei

[nopasties]

First video I have seen addressed just for the military

according to the poster this is the english translation

My revolutionary guard brother
My army brother.
You are grandchildren of Ali,
You are children of Rostam (Iranian hero)
You are the son of the pure Iranian soil.
From Cyrus to Kharim Khan to Amir Kavir,
They were all like you.

Your leader should be Imam Ali,
Your leader is not Ali Khamenai.
They lie to you, that he is the leader
He is not even the leader of the termites!
Islam has lived for 14 centuries,
Islam doesn't need Ali Khamenai to live.
Clear your pure mind from this dirty person.

My revolutionary brother,
My army brother,
He is dirty because he says
'your brothers and sisters are Zionist, they are foreigners'
to prepare your mind to shoot your own people!
He is dirty because he wants to drink the wine of power.
His wine is the blood of your brothers and sisters.

My revolutionary brother, my army brother,
He is dirty
Because in their illegal prisons they raped your sister,
Then they burned her body outside the city.
My revolutionary brother, my army brother,
Where is your anger?
Where is your national pride?
Now turn your back, because of Ali, and point your machine gun at the Zohak (national villain)

First call to arms-serious

The poster of this is asking for this video to be passed around to military personnel in Iran.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=251_1249807865&c=1

Rafsanjani cancels Friday Prayers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-prayer-sermon

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Hashemi Rafsanjani cancels Friday sermon to avoid new Iranian crackdown


The former Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani today backed away from further confrontation over the country's disputed presidential election by cancelling a potentially explosive Friday prayer sermon over fears it would trigger a renewed crackdown.
In a surprise move, Rafsanjani said he would not lead this week's sermon at Tehran university as scheduled, for fear of provoking renewed violence by security forces against supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi, his reformist ally who says June's election was stolen from him.
The decision came amid concerns of a repeat of events that surrounded Rafsanjani's sermon last month, when government forces fired tear gas and arrested dozens of Mousavi followers after they turned up in their thousands to register discontent over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election.
A statement from Rafsanjani's office said he would "not hold the political praying ceremony in order to avoid probable clashes". The announcement came in response to a flood of inquiries over whether the sermon would go ahead.
The decision is highly unusual for Rafsanjani, who is Tehran's longest-serving Friday prayer leader and one of four clerics designated to lead the sermons.
It appeared to signal a political climbdown after he used his previous sermon to challenge the political authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, by criticising the suppression and detention of demonstrators after the election.
The impression was reinforced when it emerged Rafsanjani had failed to answer a letter from another reformist candidate, Mehdi Karroubi, alleging that male and female detainees had been raped.
"Some of the detainees of the unrest claim that the detained girls have been sexually assaulted with such brutality that they have all sustained intense vaginal tearing," Karroubi's letter said. "The young men in detention were also sexually assaulted in a manner that some are now suffering from depression and other physical and psychological problems and are incapable of even leaving their homes."
Karroubi had called for the experts' assembly, a powerful clerical body headed by Rafsanjani, to investigate the allegations. But, according to his son, he decided to publish the claims after Rafsanjani failed to respond within a 10-day deadline.Rafsanjani has been identified by Ahmadinejad and his hardline supporters as the leading orchestrator of the post-election upheaval. Rafsanjani refused to attend a ceremony last week at which Khamenei officially endorsed Ahmadinejad's second term.
In a speech in Mashhad last month, Ahmadinejad appeared to implicitly threaten Rafsanjani when he said that the leading person behind the unrest "should be seized by the collar and dragged to court".

Edit:I am sure this is just the beginning of something but also I did not find this from a real news site. I have no clue on the authorship of this or who it is being sent to.

[Pious Agnost]

Whilst it's good to see momentum, could Iran handle this much?

[karo]

I think this is made by some kid living in the US or any other place outside Iran(and I mean Iranian kid)

[Nick_Since_1985]

I think this is made by some kid living in the US or any other place outside Iran(and I mean Iranian kid)

I suspect the same, this is a non-issiue...


Greetz

Nick

[Carach]

I think this is made by some kid living in the US or any other place outside Iran(and I mean Iranian kid)

a kid in america wouldnt make such amusing, crappy comments about how someone isnt 'even the master of termites' and stuff like that...

that kind of thing is definately ME talk heh.

[Daneboy]

While it would be great if the military joined forces with the demonstrators, isn´t "the Zohak" in pretty good control of the military?

[Каие]

A youtube video?

[EmperorBatman999]

I knew this would happen sooner or later!

[DashSia]

Not so soon ... I suppose.

[Dr. Croccer]

'Not a too catchy song or poem.

[s.rwitt]

I've never undestood this whole "plea for the military to turn against the government" thing. The military works for, and generally supports (that's why they joined), the government. But even if some didn't, it's not like the low-level grunts are just going to think "Well, I support the government, but my Battalion Commander just told me to join the rebellion, so I will" or vice versa. You've got to give the grunts more credit than that, the members of a military (in a revolutionary context) aren't of a single opinion and orders from a superior aren't going to keep a soldier from joining the revolutionary side. Just like an order from a superior won't make a revolutionary soldier fire on 'his side'.

[karo]

I've never undestood this whole "plea for the military to turn against the government" thing. The military works for, and generally supports (that's why they joined), the government. But even if some didn't, it's not like the low-level grunts are just going to think "Well, I support the government, but my Battalion Commander just told me to join the rebellion, so I will" or vice versa. You've got to give the grunts more credit than that, the members of a military (in a revolutionary context) aren't of a single opinion and orders from a superior aren't going to keep a soldier from joining the revolutionary side. Just like an order from a superior won't make a revolutionary soldier fire on 'his side'.

I agree with that and I'm still saying that thiw was made by some Iranian kid living in the west.

[DashSia]

I've never undestood this whole "plea for the military to turn against the government" thing. The military works for, and generally supports (that's why they joined), the government. But even if some didn't, it's not like the low-level grunts are just going to think "Well, I support the government, but my Battalion Commander just told me to join the rebellion, so I will" or vice versa. You've got to give the grunts more credit than that, the members of a military (in a revolutionary context) aren't of a single opinion and orders from a superior aren't going to keep a soldier from joining the revolutionary side. Just like an order from a superior won't make a revolutionary soldier fire on 'his side'.

No, in Islamic Revolution history, the army supported Khomeini and that's why Revolution succeeded. This can happen again. You know, soldiers are not another creatures, they're also Iranian humans. They certainly know what's happening in Iran. (But Sepah is slightly different)

[Watchman]

It's when the regime finally loses to support of the military that it's truly the curtains; until that point they can at least for a while get by on sheer monopoly of organised violence.
As for the Army itself, hasn't it generally been the junior officer corps - the ones with the least to lose and most to gain, and who the rank and file are most immediately personally loyal to - who're universally the most likely to jump the bandwagon of popular revolutionary sentiment ? Dunno if the Iranian ones are sufficiently disgruntled for that though.

[nopasties]

My issue with hoping a coup could happen is organization and simultaneous implementation. From the few readings I did about Iranian domestic intelligence it may be difficult to pull off a coup. Ahmadinejad controls many key positions in the security apparatus. Rafsanjani is a powerful figure in opposition but also he is not the type of man to squander his own security.

IMO Khamenei or Ahmadinejad will have to do something eggregious for Rafsanjani and the other reformers to act. Maybe some general could act but it seems unlikely.

Supposedly there is a fatwa from Grand Ayatollah Bayat Zanjani

link is broken

the poster of it said it was in regard to changing the structure of Iranian government.

some Hassan Sobhaninia said that Karoubi must be prosecuted if rape charges are not proven


there is a lot of he said she said messages floating around, I do not know the people being mentioned and no one seems to have any real link..... that is twitter and bloggers for ya

[Nick_Since_1985]

My issue with hoping a coup could happen...

Let's yust leave everything the way they are, oil prices are high enough and the world is still in a deep recession, we don't need another major war in the ME...


Greetz

Nick

[Admiral Piett]

I've never undestood this whole "plea for the military to turn against the government" thing. The military works for, and generally supports (that's why they joined), the government. But even if some didn't, it's not like the low-level grunts are just going to think "Well, I support the government, but my Battalion Commander just told me to join the rebellion, so I will" or vice versa. You've got to give the grunts more credit than that, the members of a military (in a revolutionary context) aren't of a single opinion and orders from a superior aren't going to keep a soldier from joining the revolutionary side. Just like an order from a superior won't make a revolutionary soldier fire on 'his side'.

You're thinking of the US. We're talking the Middle East here.

[Lord Consul]

I've never undestood this whole "plea for the military to turn against the government" thing. The military works for, and generally supports (that's why they joined), the government. But even if some didn't, it's not like the low-level grunts are just going to think "Well, I support the government, but my Battalion Commander just told me to join the rebellion, so I will" or vice versa. You've got to give the grunts more credit than that, the members of a military (in a revolutionary context) aren't of a single opinion and orders from a superior aren't going to keep a soldier from joining the revolutionary side. Just like an order from a superior won't make a revolutionary soldier fire on 'his side'.

It's very rare to see a soldier openly disobey a superior's orders, the so-called "sprit de corps" is very strong. Most Latin American coups happened without support of the rank & file, yet they gave fruit to long lived regimes.

[s.rwitt]

You could be right, I don't really know. Or care.

[s.rwitt]

You know, soldiers are not another creatures, they're also Iranian humans. They certainly know what's happening in Iran.

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying...

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You're thinking of the US. We're talking the Middle East here.

So? The soldiers in the Middle East aren't any more robotic than the soldiers here. Each one has an opinion when it comes to picking a side and an order from an officer, much like a Youtube video, isn't going to change it. A soldier that wants to join the revolution will find a way to join it. With or without Youtube.