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    Khamenei confirmed an arrest warrant for Mousavi
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    zondag 9 augustus 2009 18:02
    Sunday, August 9, 2009 18:02
    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, de hoogste geestelijk leider van Iran, heeft bevel dan wel toestemming gegeven de Iraanse oppositieleider Mir Hossein Mousavi te arresteren.
    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the highest spiritual leader of Iran, has ordered or authorized the Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi arrested.
    Khamenei wil Mir Hossein Mousavi laten arresteren
    Khamenei wants to Mir Hossein Mousavi make arrest


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    Meer over de onrust in Iran in het Elsevierdossier De stem van Iran en ook de weblogs van Afshin Ellian op elsevier.nl:
    More about the unrest in Iran in the Elsevier File Voice of Iran and the weblogs of Afshin Ellian on elsevier.nl:


    Dat zegt Afshin Ellian op basis van betrouwbare Iraanse bronnen.
    That says Afshin Ellian based reliable Iranian sources.
    Ellian is geboren in de Iraanse hoofdstad Teheran en kwam in 1989 naar Nederland.
    Ellian is born in the Iranian capital Tehran in 1989 and came to the Netherlands.
    Hij is hier hoogleraar Sociale Cohesie, burgerschap en multiculturaliteit aan de Universiteit van Leiden.
    He is professor of social cohesion, citizenship and multiculturalism at the University of Leiden.
    Arrestatie
    Arrest
    Volgens Ellian hebben twee personen de bevoegdheid gekregen het arrestatiebevel uit te voeren: de opperbevelhebber van de Revolutionaire Garde , Generaal Mohammad Ali Jafari en Saeed Mortazavi de hoofdaanklager van de revolutionaire rechtbank in Teheran.
    According to Ellian Two persons empowered the arrest warrant to the chief of the Revolutionary Guard, General Mohammad Ali Jafari Saeed Mortazavi and the Chief Prosecutor of the Revolutionary Court in Tehran.
    'Het is een carte blanche: ze zijn vrij om te beslissen wanneer en hoe ze de arrestatie willen uitvoeren.'
    "It is a carte blanche: they are free to decide when and how they want to execute the arrest."
    In de opiniebijlage van de Volkskrant verschijnt morgen een tekst waarin Ellian schrijft over het arrestatiebevel tegen Mir Hossein Mousavi de leider van de Iraanse oppositie.
    In the opinion of Annex Washington appears tomorrow text Ellian writes about the arrest warrant against Mir Hossein Mousavi the leader of the Iranian opposition.
    Garde
    Guard
    Vandaag heeft topman Yadollah Javani van de Revolutionaire Garde gezegd dat Mousavi en de andere oppositieleider Mehdi Karoubi en oud-president Mohammad Khatami moeten worden vervolgd voor de onrust die zij in het land hebben veroorzaakt.
    Today topman Yadollah Javani said the Revolutionary Guard that Mousavi and the other opposition leader Mehdi Karoubi and former president Mohammad Khatami to be prosecuted for the unrest in the country have.
    Volgens Javani hebben Khatami, Karoubi en Mousavi geprobeerd de islamitische republiek met 'een fluwelen revolutie' omver te werpen.
    According Javani have Khatami, Karoubi Mousavi and tried the Islamic republic with a 'velvet revolution' subversive activity.
    Aangifte
    Declaration
    De Revolutionaire Garde is het ideologische leger dat het systeem moet verdedigen.
    The Revolutionary Guard is the ideological army that the system must defend.
    Samen met het reguliere leger vormt de garde de krijgsmacht van Iran.
    Together with the regular army, the guard of the armed Iran.
    Verschillende aanhangers van president Ahmed Ahmadinejdad in het Iraanse parlement hebben al aangifte gedaan tegen Mousavi.
    Several supporters of President Ahmed Ahmadinejdad in the Iranian parliament have already declared against Mousavi.
    Sinds gisteren kunnen aanhangers van het regime in Teheran elektrisch aangifte doen tegen Mousavi via de site mojeghanoon.com
    Since yesterday to supporters of the regime in Tehran electric declaration against Mousavi through the site mojeghanoon.com
    Karroubi and Khatami are also likely to be arrested
    http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCan...1/idUSL9709029
    ANALYSIS-Iran hardliners take gloves off against opponents

    Sun Aug 9, 2009 8:43am EDT



    * Iran mass trials seen as sign hardliners feel insecure
    * Khamenei urged by Revolutionary Guard to jail Mousavi
    * Internal struggle dims chance for response to Obama offer
    By Alistair Lyon, Special Correspondent
    BEIRUT, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Iran's latest mass trial is meant to deter dissent but may also reflect insecurity among hardliners jolted by street protests and political splits after a disputed June election.

    The crackdown shows no willingness to compromise on the part of re-elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He must now pick a cabinet and get it approved by a parliament with a conservative majority containing many who mistrust the firebrand leader.

    Many conservatives were angered by the death in custody of the son of an aide to presidential candidate and former Revolutionary Guard commander Mohsen Rezaie, which may help explain why Iran's police chief announced on Sunday that the head of one notorious detention centre had been jailed.

    But in other signals that the gloves have come off, a senior Guard commander demanded that Ahmadinejad's election rivals Mirhossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi face trial, and a military commander urged greater control over foreign media.

    "The sham trials are actually to shore up support among (Ahmadinejad) supporters who have begun having doubts," said Muhammad Sahimi, a professor at the University of Southern California.

    An Iranian court charged a Frenchwoman, two Iranian staffers at the British and French embassies and dozens of others on Saturday with spying and plotting to overthrow clerical rule, in the second mass trial to open within a week.

    Mousavi and Karoubi say the election was stolen to keep Ahmadinejad in power and have denounced the trials. They and influential backers like former presidents Mohammad Khatami and Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani have solid revolutionary credentials.

    "If Mousavi, Karoubi and Khatami are main suspects behind the 'soft revolution' in Iran, which they are, we expect the judiciary ... to go after them, arrest them, put them on trial and punish them," said Yadollah Javani, head of the Revolution Guard's political unit, the official IRNA news agency reported.

    It is not clear whether Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei will yield to such demands to lock up mainstream opposition leaders in the world's fifth biggest oil exporter.

    The influence of the Revolutionary Guard, a military force with extensive business interests, appears to have grown since Ahmadinejad, a former officer in the corps, took power in 2005.

    But Khamenei, whose status as lofty arbiter has been eroded by his pro-Ahmadinejad partisanship, knows many senior clerics and politicians are alarmed at where the Islamic Republic is heading and are ready to protect their own interests.

    Such divisions within the elite mean Mousavi may still be able to challenge the legitimacy of Ahmadinejad's government, said Mehrzad Boroujerdi, at New York's Syracuse University.

    "The fact that the government has not arrested Mousavi and Karoubi suggests that they are worried about the repercussions."



    "SIGN OF WEAKNESS"

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the first "show trial" a sign of weakness. "It demonstrates I think better than any of us could ever say that this Iranian leadership is afraid of their own people, and afraid of the truth and the facts coming out," she told CNN on Thursday.

    Accusations that Western powers incited the post-election unrest further cloud prospects of Iran accepting U.S. President Barack Obama's offer of direct talks on nuclear work the West suspects is for making bombs, and not only to fuel power plants.

    "The Iranian government is just not the same as it was before the election," said Gary Sick, an Iran scholar and former U.S. National Security Council official. "They are engaged in an existential crisis, a crisis of survival."

    At least 26 people were killed and hundreds detained during protests involving hundreds of thousands of Iranians after the June 12 vote, which the authorities deny was fraudulent.

    Security forces have reasserted control, but the violence deployed and the harsh treatment of detainees, several of whom died in custody, widened rifts in Iran's ruling establishment.

    In an attempt to calm widespread anger, police chief Esmail Ahmadi-Moghaddam said on Sunday the head of the Kahrizak detention centre and three policemen there had been jailed. He acknowledged that some detainees had been tortured or beaten.

    Khamenei had already ordered the Kahrizak centre closed. Sick said the turmoil had pushed decisions on nuclear policy and relations with the United States, which lie ultimately with Khamenei, lower down the leadership's priority list.

    "What they have on their minds right now is very personal. It's a matter of the future of the movement and of particular individuals trying to hold on to power at all costs," he said.

    For now, the hastily staged trials of reformist politicians, journalists, lawyers, academics and others, some of whom have made awkward confessions after weeks in jail with no access to lawyers, send a chilling message to Iran's diverse opposition.

    Many of the accused face charges of espionage or acting against national security, both punishable by death.

    "Iran could turn into a sort of authoritarian state in which all legitimacy is replaced by repression," Sick suggested.

    "If so, it could go on for a very long time. It would be ugly and it would be difficult to deal with Iran during that time, but we would probably have to, whether we like it or not." (Editing by Robert Woodward)
    This is going to get bad or violent soon. I hope these guys only get a slap on the wrist because if Mousavi and the others are prosecuted and convicted than it will leave Iranians only the choice of revolt or passively accepting oppression. MARG BAR KHAMENEI!!!!
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    About ****ing time.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    About ****ing time.
    I'm not sure what you mean. You are on the side of Khamenei?

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    Obviously not cool, perhaps this will end up hurting Khamenei instead of Mousavi though

    Quote Originally Posted by Slickback
    I'm not sure what you mean. You are on the side of Khamenei?
    At times it does get hard to tell whether he's joking, trolling or being serious.

    I think he might just be joking here though

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    Quote Originally Posted by nopasties View Post
    Khamenei confirmed an arrest warrant for Mousavi
    http://translate.google.com/translat...en.htm&prev=_t

    Karroubi and Khatami are also likely to be arrested
    http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCan...1/idUSL9709029


    This is going to get bad or violent soon. I hope these guys only get a slap on the wrist because if Mousavi and the others are prosecuted and convicted than it will leave Iranians only the choice of revolt or passively accepting oppression. MARG BAR KHAMENEI!!!!
    Khamenei seems pretty desperate right now, I hope that Mousavi remains safe .
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    Haha! Good God my dog is better at PR, but I'm starting to think they don't give a damn.
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    Looks as if the revolutionary regime did not learn a single lesson from the previous one.
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    I wonder if Mousavi will allow himself be arrested or flee to Iraq, Bahrain, Azerbaijan or elsewhere
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    A blog linked this site about Grand Ayatollah Sistani ruling on the Iran elections.
    http://enduringamerica.com/2009/08/0...ni-intervenes/
    Iran: Ayatollah Sistani Intervenes

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    After two months, Ayatollah Sistani, the Iranian-born clerical leader in the holy city of Najaf in Iraq, has intervened, albeit in an oblique fashion, in the post-election controversy. He did so through answers to “questions from the faithful”
    1) What is your eminence’s opinion about [Iran's] religious supreme leadership (velayat-e-faqih)?
    “Leadership in what Islamic jurists call “everyday affairs” exists for any qualified expert in Islamic jurisprudence. However [leadership] in public affairs that play a crucial role in the order of the Islamic society, depends both upon personal qualifications of the expert and also upon other issues including the fact that the expert must be acceptable for the public.”
    2) If a pronouncement of another Marjaa [senior clerical leader] opposes that of a Supreme Leader what must be done?
    “In general the pronouncement of a person that has religious supreme leadership in public and society affairs etc. supersedes all (including other Marjaa) unless the pronouncements are proven to be wrong or the pronouncements are proven to be against what is in the Koran or in Religious Tradition.”
    Interpretation? Sistani just told Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that he is not untouchable. Whether or not Sistani meant his reference to “personal qualifications” to flash back on Khameni’s rise to Supreme Leader, even though he was not a marjaa, there will be those in Iran who immediately see the context. And “acceptable to the public” and “proven to be wrong” do not need even that level of analysis.
    Beyond the intervention, here’s a question to ponder: it was widely reported that, before agreeing to lead Friday prayers in Tehran on 17 July, Hashemi Rafsanjani had gone to Najaf to see Sistani. So, given the Iraq-based Ayatollah’s continuing influence amongst many Iran faithful, has the former President — due to lead prayers again this Friday — received another boost?
    I do not know if the conclusions here are valid but Sistani is one of the few Shias with theocratic authority to validate or unvalidate the elections amongst those politically on the fence in Iran.

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    Who would win in a fight? Sistani or Khomenei?

    Sistani can control the weather, but Khomenei has got that metal endoskeleton.

    It'd be a good fight




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Who would win in a fight? Sistani or Khomenei?

    Sistani can control the weather, but Khomenei has got that metal endoskeleton.

    It'd be a good fight
    Dude, Sistani is a Grand Ayatollah. That is like, an epic Cleric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amry View Post
    Dude, Sistani is a Grand Ayatollah. That is like, an epic Cleric.
    I have read alot about Islam and i know that Ayatollahs are like Highlanders. They must battle (but not in Karbala, Qom or other holy ground) before The Quickening.

    There can only be one.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Who would win in a fight? Sistani or Khomenei?

    Sistani can control the weather, but Khomenei has got that metal endoskeleton.

    It'd be a good fight
    That would be a hilarious video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Who would win in a fight? Sistani or Khomenei?

    Sistani can control the weather, but Khomenei has got that metal endoskeleton.

    It'd be a good fight
    Khomeini is dead. So Sistani wins.

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    He better not come to Britain in hiding. Mousavi's time is up. He has unanswered crimes to answer to. Ahmedinejed and the Ayatollah will get theirs too. One day.

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    Well Khamenei wouldn't have to go and try to arrest Mousavi if Western intervention hadn't incited all those free speakers in the first place, I suppose.
    The best way to reveal yourself for the attention mongering reality ignoring vanity ridden snot nosed beast that you are is by continuing to make those sweeping trendy but out of touch generalizations that you love so much. In case you were wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordthrower View Post
    Well Khamenei wouldn't have to go and try to arrest Mousavi if Western intervention hadn't incited all those free speakers in the first place, I suppose.
    lol @ blaming (or thanking) the West for what happened in Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    lol @ blaming (or thanking) the West for what happened in Iran.
    If it wasn't for Western interference in Iran, Mossadeq would have sorted things out half a century ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    If it wasn't for Western interference in Iran, Mossadeq would have sorted things out half a century ago.
    I was speaking of the recent unrest.

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