U.S. Health Care Issues

[Celsius]

Im not an aristocrat and I have health insurance.
The government cant baby people.

Everyone can get a job. Everyone can go to college. People choose not too and its their fault, people who have made something of themselves are not to blame.

[Disaray]

I couldn't get a job. I have 5 years of higher education and I still couldn't get a job. I kept asking around at any place I could think of and no one would give me more than an aplication. I filled them out, turned them in and neaver heard from them again. The only place that has given me a chance was the Portland Police Beuro and not just any one can get in there, you need to pass all kinds of tests first. So you are wrong, not everyone can get a job.

Oldgamer, if universal health care is more expencive why do the French spend only about 7% of thier GDP on their universal system and we spend 10-12% on our for profit system? I am no econimist but I am sure that the French are spending less and covering more people with a better system.

[WrathofTulkas]

I couldn't get a job. I have 5 years of higher education and I still couldn't get a job. I kept asking around at any place I could think of and no one would give me more than an aplication. I filled them out, turned them in and neaver heard from them again. The only place that has given me a chance was the Portland Police Beuro and not just any one can get in there, you need to pass all kinds of tests first. So you are wrong, not everyone can get a job.

Oldgamer, if universal health care is more expencive why do the French spend only about 7% of thier GDP on their universal system and we spend 10-12% on our for profit system? I am no econimist but I am sure that the French are spending less and covering more people with a better system.

The french do not have better healthcare! I mean when important people get cancer (leaders etc) where do they go? God old United States of America.

I don't dread the idea of Universal Healthcare, but some crazy number like 80%+ people in the US are happy with their healthcare. I don't see the reason why we should change it

[Manco]

The french do not have better healthcare! I mean when important people get cancer (leaders etc) where do they go? God old United States of America.

No they don't.

[Mangalore]

No they don't.

Even if they did, they do it because the French health care system would pay for it.

[Disaray]

The french do not have better healthcare! I mean when important people get cancer (leaders etc) where do they go? God old United States of America.

I don't dread the idea of Universal Healthcare, but some crazy number like 80%+ people in the US are happy with their healthcare. I don't see the reason why we should change it

As Manco so beutafly pointed out they don't come here from France when they need help, they go mostly to French hospitals. Though there are instances where wealthy individuals from Europ will come to America for treatment, mostly experimental treatments that have been developed in American univercity hospitals that aren't availible in Europe, or any other hospitals that aren't working on that reaserch, due to the highly specilized nature of the prosedure. In fact some thing like 37 million people, may be more, left this country for others to get cheeper good quality health care. They flew to places like India, Maroco and Cuba and it is still cheeper than it is to get the same care you can get here with the round trip plain ticket. They call it Health Care Tourisum and it is a booming business

80% of people like their health care beacouse most people never realy have to use their health insurance, which I belive that stat is pointing to, for anything more serious than a minor infection or ingrown toe nails, minor broken bones at the most. When someone comes down with a terminal illness and has to fight with a masive beurocracy that is the private health insureace company to get what they were promised when they signed up for the plan they tend to get more and more disatisfied. Personaly I find the whole private, for profit, system to be disgusting from a moral stand point for this reason. If that kind of thing ever hapnes to you I bet you will start to hate you insureance too, though you seem like a generaly well intentiond person so I hope it dosen't.

[Player989random]

The french do not have better healthcare! I mean when important people get cancer (leaders etc) where do they go? God old United States of America.

They come here(U.S.A.) because we have better doctors, not that we have a better way of paying for it.

[Dunecat]

I couldn't get a job. I have 5 years of higher education and I still couldn't get a job. I kept asking around at any place I could think of and no one would give me more than an aplication.

...Yes there is an interview process usually.

I filled them out, turned them in and neaver heard from them again.

That's mostly because you didn't call them back to follow up. Why would THEY follow up with a guy that has no initiative? That (I'm assuming) got a bachelors over the span of 5 years. The guy that expects a job to be given to him because he needs it.

The only place that has given me a chance was the Portland Police Beuro and not just any one can get in there, you need to pass all kinds of tests first.

So take the tests, dammit, it's an opportunity.

So you are wrong, not everyone can get a job.

True. Some people inherently have disadvantages that are no fault of their own and cannot be remedied. You are not one of those people.

[Admiral Piett]

Im not an aristocrat and I have health insurance.
The government cant baby people.

Everyone can get a job. Everyone can go to college. People choose not too and its their fault, people who have made something of themselves are not to blame.

I'll be laughing when the insurance claims department sends you a letter in the mail saying they'll not cover the cost of your injury or illness due to some sort of fine print.

This happened to my parents when they had my little sister. It's like, okay, you've had enough children, you're paying for this one.

[Celsius]

I'll be laughing when the insurance claims department sends you a letter in the mail saying they'll not cover the cost of your injury or illness due to some sort of fine print.

This happened to my parents when they had my little sister. It's like, okay, you've had enough children, you're paying for this one.

They can't. My parents both work for the government. So my insurance will not be terminated

I guess if it was too expensive they could always try to shove her back in there

[Admiral Piett]

They can't. My parents both work for the government. So my insurance will not be terminated

I guess if it was too expensive they could always try to shove her back in there

Hell it'd cost even more money to shove it back in.

So basically you're riding scot-free on healthcare do your parent's government positions? Nice. Well don't expect everyone else to have the same benefits as you. My dad also had me covered on his employer provided healthcare and guess what happened there? Denied coverage. Bam. It happens randomly and in an instant.

25% of the population of Texas is uninsured. That's pretty ing sad. And Texas is not known for being a welfare state. Most of that percentage work their ass off.

[Winter]

They can't. My parents both work for the government. So my insurance will not be terminated

Must be nice.

My dad works for AT&T, which is trying to cut health benefits for all its employees. I guess its gotten too expensive. They'll probably be going on strike over it shortly. Luckily we can still be covered by my mother's plan from her nursing job at the hospital, but we came close to loosing our insurance all together. Given that my sister has knee problems from dance, has to visit the orthodontist regularly for braces, and I have chronic headaches, we would likely have been put into a bad situation very quickly. Let alone how my father needs surgery on his back to correct a serious problem that causes him excruciating pain.

Is it just me, or do the people who oppose universal healthcare just not know what it is like to even come close to having to pay for it?

[Eien]

Is it just me, or do the people who oppose universal healthcare just not know what it is like to even come close to having to pay for it?

perhaps they are living in a world of their own, or ARE a part of the money-grubbers

[ShADoW]

Sucks, my dad was lucky his insurance bared with him, although he was covered by the company he worked for.

[Strelok]

Since Americans point out that it is UK/Canadian like, as a Canadian, I'll drop in my opinion.

1. There would be a tendency for people seriosly needing care to be overlooked or forced to wait.

Doesn't happen here in Canada at least, if you're actually dying, you're definitely not going to be waiting for an emergency surgery. At least this is in my experience. I've know of relatives have fatal near death experiences or life threatening diseases and this did not happen in any of their cases. If you're dying on the spot, you're definitely not going to be waiting for an emergency surgery. If it is going to be anything like Canadian-style health care, it's not going to be like this, otherwise Americans can be content that they still have their own style of universal health care.

I hold one thing close to my heart. Thanks to my communist health care run my Karl Marx himself, my Sister is still alive today. To put it brief, she was born 4 months prematurely, weighed a pound, and was literally the size of the average hand. Communist style heath care where I don't know my doctors (false, by the way) and my privacy is unprotected is clearly useless. I mean, it's such a good thing everyone in the world just happens to have a million dollars sitting around to be able to pay for life saving surgeries (assuming you don't have health insurance or assuming you have been denied). I can think of two (common) bad ways this event could have gone om in the USA:

1. Couldn't afford health insurance and hence indefinitely screwed with this event.
2. Had health insurance but claim was denied for covering the costs.

A UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS NOT SOCIALISM.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Valiant Champion]

If wealthy people from other countries come to america for treatment it should only confirm that the US health care system caters to the rich and sweeps the poor under the rug.

[justicar5]

If wealthy people from other countries come to america for treatment it should only confirm that the US health care system caters to the rich and sweeps the poor under the rug.

generally you find that health care tourism is a two way street people going to the best specialist available for specific treatments for instance.

[Gaidin]

All I know and care about the US Health Care System and why I think we need at minimum the public option and preferably Universal Healtcare is the fact that I'm on the insurance company Death Lists(TM) due to my condition. They refuse to cover me if they have the option. The only reason I have coverage now is because my job provides it.

[Justice and Mercy]

I'll say this again; if the leftists in this country want socialist healthcare why don't they just push for it in their own states?

California and Hawaii in particular would benefit more from a state-run system.

[justicar5]

I'll say this again; if the leftists in this country want socialist healthcare why don't they just push for it in their own states?

California and Hawaii in particular would benefit more from a state-run system.

it's not socialist health care for a start. Well so far, only 50 pages in, but the insurance companies still excist under this act, so far it looks like a goverment run scheme will be available as an alternative, and that the insurance industry in it's entirity will be held to minimum standards. And did the republicans only push the patiriot act in their states?