[HoI3] Heart of Iron III - discussion

[Dewy]

well giving up on my Sweden campaign, seems paradox still hasn't learned their lessons.
Yes you have alot of factions to choose from but what's the point if you can't do anything with them ?
Sweden is one of those factions where you can go from the start of the game to the end and you can't do anything. All you do is research things because that's the only thing you can do.
Nobody will attack you and you can't attack anyone for the duration of the game.
It's like watching paint dry.

lower your neutrality and attack Germany when they attack France, easy right?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

lower your neutrality and attack Germany when they attack France, easy right?

Except I can't.
1 year in and I managed to lower my neutrality to 99.
Just 99 points to go so Sweden will be able to go to war in around 100 years.
Also what's up with the trade agreements ?
They always want supplies and they always cancel them 1 month after.
Talk about not being able to make up their mind.

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well giving up on my Sweden campaign, seems paradox still hasn't learned their lessons.
Yes you have alot of factions to choose from but what's the point if you can't do anything with them ?
Sweden is one of those factions where you can go from the start of the game to the end and you can't do anything. All you do is research things because that's the only thing you can do.
Nobody will attack you and you can't attack anyone for the duration of the game.
It's like watching paint dry.

I tried to play as Estonia. I change a few settings, move my 3 divisions to the eastern border and that's it. Not enough IC to build anything (not even 1 brigade), not enough "influence" to do any diplomatic moves. I mean i can set it to max speed and go have lunch or something, waiting for the Soviets to come and conquer me already. Really, what's the point?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

I mean i can set it to max speed and go have lunch or something, waiting for the Soviets to come and conquer me already. Really, what's the point?

Atleast you have that to look forward to
Nothing happens in Sweden.
This is where historical accuracy rears it's ugly head.
Is there actually anyone that enjoys playing a faction like this ?
Either make these faction non-playable or make it so that the faction can change history.
I don't feel like I have to mod this game just make something that should be common sense.

[magpie]

Wish I could play the damn campaign. All I am getting Is windows needs to close this programme.
I get as far as 3-4 Jan 1936 start some productions or Tech and wallop, Looks like my system which plays just about every game out there hates paradox games.

[Gwyn ap Nud]

Na no, HoI3 is less complex than EUIII.

Basically, you only need to learn how to command and organize your army; you don't need to learn how to command navy and air force because it is very straight forward.

For any newbie of HoI series I would suggest playing Canada as your first run; the reason is obviously - you can affect battlefield yet your enemy would not able to attack you. Canada is pretty much the best junior partner in Allies.

w00t Canada! Ahem, sorry. Canada should also get you experience with your navy too, as the Canadian Navy was in charge of the entire Battle of the Atlantic for a couple of years mid-war.

[vizi]

You should be able to allow your dissent to run wild and have a revolution. I am not sure how it works in HoI3, but I have made the USA communist before. Sure you can still do stuff like that in HoI3. Or you should be able to...

[hellheaven1987]

Ok, 1.1 patch is already out.

[hellheaven1987]

So, I finally got a hardcopy today.

First impression (1.1 patch):

1. Extremely slow timing, even with full speed.

2. Too many tech, with a ridiculous tech decay speed.

3. Demand of consumer good is ridiculous.

4. Completely discourage playing minors.

5. A lot of bugs - enough to kill the gameplay.

6. Ridiculous trading system - you actually need convoy for trading, which again, kill minor countries.

7. Strange diplomate system - no influence countries anymore and there are very few ways to increase relation.

Conclusion: Even after 1.1 patch, this game is still a disaster. Hopefully 1.2 patch would: 1. Fix all bugs 2. Change a lot of gameplay, especially the trading part, which directly kill minor by not allowing them to trade 3. Increase tech research speed, or everyone would fight WWII in 1918 style.

[vizi]

There is a hotfix for the CG bug out.

[Alkarin]

Except I can't.
1 year in and I managed to lower my neutrality to 99.
Just 99 points to go so Sweden will be able to go to war in around 100 years.
Also what's up with the trade agreements ?
They always want supplies and they always cancel them 1 month after.
Talk about not being able to make up their mind.

~ + noneutrality = yes.

[hellheaven1987]

Except I can't.
1 year in and I managed to lower my neutrality to 99.
Just 99 points to go so Sweden will be able to go to war in around 100 years.
Also what's up with the trade agreements ?
They always want supplies and they always cancel them 1 month after.
Talk about not being able to make up their mind.

The problem is that oversea trading now needs convoy, which kills minors because most of them have no IC to build convoy for large oversea trading.

So, they made a trade agreement with you but no convoy to realize it - better to kill of that agreement obviously.

[Dewy]

~ + noneutrality = yes.

you got that off me, but you need to press alt 21. I haven't played a minor yet but don't really want to. Whats the point of starting to play the game as Sweden?

[Alkarin]

no ~ is the console button...although alt 21 might work too. minors were fun in HOI2 and HOI but i dont see the same attractiveness of them in HOI3

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

~ + noneutrality = yes.

I do not consider cheating as a valid way of getting some fun out of a faction

[Niles Crane]

While I've only played the demo, I'm not a great fan of the combat system. It all seemed much simpler in HOI2 and quicker too...

[Alkarin]

i agree octy. ive gotten used to the hierarchy system and all it is is more micro management with no benefit.

[Dewy]

I do not consider cheating as a valid way of getting some fun out of a faction

using one cheat to fix a clear bug in the game must be better then modding or do you just want to complain

[Cougar109]

i agree octy. ive gotten used to the hierarchy system and all it is is more micro management with no benefit.

Really? I find it to be tons easier and has a lot less management required. In my Italy game I just set the AI down in Northern Africa while I dealt with the French, game them an objective and let them go. Checked in their progress ever once in awhile and eventually they took the Suez from the UK without me doing a thing except give an objective. Back in HoI 2 I would have had to continue going back and forth constantly between the three fronts and continue to give new objective and change my plans as they enemy moved around. In my opinion it's much improved there isn't even half the micro management involved as there was in HoI 2 when it comes to moving and ordering your military around.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

using one cheat to fix a clear bug in the game must be better then modding or do you just want to complain

Except this is not a bug.
You can play HOI 1 and 2 and you will see that Sweden cannot enter a war nor will any faction attack it unless you cheat or mod it.
So they made Sweden this way and which only raises the question on what's the point.