Why Europe isn't going to be Islamic in X years time - with facts!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Hi there.

Now, one of the most persistant threads in the political mudpit is the one where Europeans are told it's simply a matter of time until muslims make up the majority of the population of all European countries. This statement is invariably made by somebody from the American hinterlands or by a Dutchman - and that's fine. To be a biggot in the Netherlands must be the hardest of all places to be a biggot. Not so much as Bernard Manning DVD to fall back on.

But what annoys me is that these threads are completely bereft of all facts. In lieu of this we are often given a poorly constructed youtube video. These all follow the same format. They open with the dolcet tones of AL ALLAH AL AL MEHIRAB AL MAGARB! Which, I might point out, may be the Arabic for "Ernie, The Fastest Milkman in the West", for all we know. Then we get some pictures of hijabs, maybe some grim pictures of terrorist atrocities and the bit that really gets me - lies, masquerading as statistics.

Well, let's destroy them, shall we?



Claim: 90% of all population growth in Europe since 1990 is Islamic immigration.

Is it true? No. In extreme years 90% of population growth has been down to immigration. But not just muslim immigration.

Claim: French families have 1.8 children. Muslim families have 8.1 children.

Is it true? Impossible to say, the French don't collect statistics by religion. This does mean, therefore, that the claim is made up. Algeria and Morocco have the highest fertility rates on Earth - 2.38... a far cry from the video's claim of the fertility rate for muslims in France.

Claim: Half of all newborns in the Netherlands are muslim.

Is it true? Only if muslims (5% of the Dutch population) were reproducing at fourteen times the rate of the Dutch would they be able to produce half the nation's newborns.

Claim: 25% of Belgium is muslim.

Is it true? Not when the Tintin fans get through with them.(It's 6%).

Claim: The muslim population of the UK has increased thirty-fold in thirty years, from 82,000 to 2.5 million.

Is it true? No. In 2001 there were 1.6 million muslims in England and Wales, so it is within the realms of possibility that there may be 2.5 million today. However, the 82,000 number is not accurate. In 1981 no question was asked on the census regarding religious belief, however, people born in Pakistan and Bangledesh numbered 300,000 alone - not including other muslim groups or their descendents.

Claim: The German Government stated: "The fall in German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible. It will be a Muslim state by the year 2050."

Is it true? No. The final sentence is a complete invention.

Claim: The German Government believes the muslim population of Europe will double to 104 million.

Is it true? Guess.

The islamification of Europe is at the end of the day up there with lizardmen.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8189231.stm

[Gromovnik]

So, the only thing "proven" here is that the muslim population of Europe is rising more slowly then claimed in that video.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Along with the atheist, hindu, buddhist, etc. etc. population.

[Tajir]

Claim: French families have 1.8 children. Muslim families have 8.1 children.

Is it true? Impossible to say, the French don't collect statistics by religion. This does mean, therefore, that the claim is made up. Algeria and Morocco have the highest fertility rates on Earth - 2.38... a far cry from the video's claim of the fertility rate for muslims in France.

http://www.un.org/esa/population/pub...lights_rev.pdf

2.38 is small, just about tied with the US. Algeria and Morocco are among the lowest in fact, must be the heavy European influence in those countries.

There are over 30 countries with fertility rates above the rate of 5 children, and 20 above 6 children, and the majority are non-Muslim.

[eggthief]

There are tons of these online, islamaphobia is going trough the roofs.

One thing that I wondered was whether the growth in Europe wasn't just stagnating because of high population densities? It was also very laughable when they quoted Muhammar al-Gaddafi who said that violence is a tool that wont be used and the narrator talked about him as if he was Satan himself.

[Tajir]

Isn't Gaddafi a Socialist in the first place?

Sometimes you have to wonder about the IQs of those who make these statements.

[mongrel]

There are tons of these online, islamaphobia is going trough the roofs..

I'd refine that, idiotic islamophobia is going through the roof. Is it because Europe and the US are becoming ill-educated?

I have seen a post where Muslims fought Spartans at Thermopylae and another where St George fought Muslims (more fanciful than a dragon I suppose). Lionheart on Talksport said that British Muslims bred at a rate of 10x the UK average, thats 16-17 kids each. They are that dumb.

Here are the rantings of this uneducated chav.


http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/activism_non_profit/watch/v18874319CZcmHcZe


By the way Lionheart was pushed out of the English Defence League as the football hooligan element "Casuals United" and the far-right asserted itself. So much for that.


Extreme Islam video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n72fLZ8aXX4

[Machiavelli25]

Of course the 'extremes' are incorrect. I am not unduly worried by the 'Islamozation of Europe'. Islamism among the Muslim population does concern me. It is not so much about going out and spreading hatred of Muslims, as simply being aware of the issue and the philosophy it is based around, rather than burying your head in the sand because at some level the idea frightens you or you just can't accept it.

Anyway, i'm confident Islamism won't succeed in Europe. However, it may have a chance if we do nothing and simply ignore it.

[6th Vigil]

I almost had a heart attack seeing the word Facts in a thread title.

And LOL@video- It got the number of EU countries wrong- 27 not 31. Then the "spread the gospel message" at the end was great. Where do people get this stuff?

[Каие]

That video was unbelievably awful. Literally intellectual diarrhoea. Anyone who genuinely believed it, is either an idiot or someone who is astonishingly ignorant of some of the most basic facts possible.

[LoZz]

nice post ferrets, its about time someone finally put the effort in and posted with the numbers. I will bet this topic wont get half the posts of the ones that state we are all going to be brown in 20 years......

[BlackPirate]

The fact is though that generally speaking muslim population increases rapidly while christian-European population isnt.All those Muslims will come to migrate to European soil.I wouldnt be surprised if in some decades Muslims are going to be more than christians in Europe

[removeduser_487563287433]

The fact is though that generally speaking muslim population increases rapidly while christian-European population isnt.All those Muslims will come to migrate to European soil.I wouldnt be surprised if in some decades Muslims are going to be more than christians in Europe

Based on ing anything?

[BlackPirate]

Based on ing anything?

Actually based in logic that Christianity in Europe is in decline.This fact combined with the fact that muslims make more kids makes me believe that.Of course when i say in some decades, this doesnt mean that it will happen in 20 years(it might happen in 200 years)

[removeduser_487563287433]

Actually based in logic that Christianity in Europe is in decline.This fact combined with the fact that muslims make more kids makes me believe that.Of course when i say in some decades, this doesnt mean that it will happen in 20 years(it might happen in 200 years)

The "fact" that muslims "make more kids" is based on what?

[BlackPirate]

The "fact" that muslims "make more kids" is based on what?

European population, even with migration isnt raised in a rate equall to muslim countries

[Machiavelli25]

Whether 'Muslims' have more kids or not is irrelevant, what we are certain off is that the 'Islamists', ie: Wahhabists, fundamentalist zealots, etc etc DO have more children. During my time in the UK i lived near a well-known Islamist preacher, who had something like over 20 children with 3 or more wives. Think he was called Abu Hamza or something.

Anyway Ferrets, as you well know birthrate statistics are not technically divided in terms of religion, only race (i believe).

[Gertrudius]

Good post Ferrets, it's nice to see something other than the blind senseless panic seen in so many similar threads. +rep

I am however skeptical of your fertility rate numbers, not those in Europe but those in the countries that these people immigrate from. For instance I'll take a second to look strictly at fertility rates in predominantly Muslim countries.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Somalia - 6.60

Afghanistan - 6.58

Yemen - 6.41

Mauritania - 5.69

Western Sahara - 5.69

Oman - 5.62

Gaza Strip - 5.19

Iraq - 3.97

Saudi Arabia - 3.89

Pakistan - 3.73

West Bank - 3.31

Syria - 3.21

Libya - 3.15

Bangladesh - 3.08

Turkmenistan - 3.07

Tajikistan - 3.04

Kuwait - 2.81

Egypt - 2.72

Morocco - 2.57

Bahrain - 2.53

Jordan - 2.47

Qatar - 2.47

UAE - 2.43

All of which happen to have higher fertility rates than the ones you mentioned. This is my source. Another good source is the UN numbers.

Take it easy,

[removeduser_487563287433]

Good post Ferrets, it's nice to see something other than the blind senseless panic seen in so many similar threads. +rep

I am however skeptical of your fertility rate numbers, not those in Europe but those in the countries that these people immigrate from. For instance I'll take a second to look strictly at fertility rates in predominantly Muslim countries.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Somalia - 6.60

Afghanistan - 6.58

Yemen - 6.41

Mauritania - 5.69

Western Sahara - 5.69

Oman - 5.62

Gaza Strip - 5.19

Iraq - 3.97

Saudi Arabia - 3.89

Pakistan - 3.73

West Bank - 3.31

Syria - 3.21

Libya - 3.15

Bangladesh - 3.08

Turkmenistan - 3.07

Tajikistan - 3.04

Kuwait - 2.81

Egypt - 2.72

Morocco - 2.57

Bahrain - 2.53

Jordan - 2.47

Qatar - 2.47

UAE - 2.43

All of which happen to have higher fertility rates than the ones you mentioned. This is my source. Another good source is the UN numbers.

Take it easy,

I think the figures may be population growth. This would explain these higher figures, as many of these countries have low life expectancy, high child mortality, high death rate for women in childbirth, etc.

[Gertrudius]

I think the figures may be population growth. This would explain these higher figures, as many of these countries have low life expectancy, high child mortality, high death rate for women in childbirth, etc.

Yeah, the figures are the average number of children born to each women. I assumed that's what your figures were but I've been wrong before.

Take it easy,