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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...t-Service.html

    Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.


    Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.


    Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts. Although most threats are not credible, each one has to be investigated meticulously.


    According to the book, intelligence officials received information that people associated with the Somalia-based Islamist group al-Shabaab might try to disrupt Mr Obama's inauguration in January, when the Secret Service co-ordinated at least 40,000 agents and officers from some 94 police, military and security agencies.


    More than a dozen counter-sniper teams were stationed along the inauguration parade route and the criminal records of employees and hotel guests in nearby buildings were scrutinised.


    Despite all this, there were glaring loopholes in the security. Kessler describes how more than 100 VIPs and major campaign donors were screened by metal detectors but then walked along a public pavement before boarding "secure" buses and were not checked again.
    It could have been relatively simple for an assassin to have mingled with them in order to get close enough to shoot the new president.


    After Mr Obama was elected president, his two children Malia, 11, codenamed Radiance, and Sasha, eight, codenamed Rosebud, began receiving Secret Service protection. Mr Obama's wife Michelle is codenamed Renaissance. The Secret Service also started to protect Vice-President Joe Biden's children, grandchildren, and mother.


    Instead of bringing in more agents - instantly identifiable because of their bulky suits, worn over bullet-proof jackets, and earpieces - the Secret Service directed agents to work longer hours to cover the extra load and to miss firearms training, physical fitness sessions and tests.
    "We have half the number of agents we need, but requests for more agents have fallen on deaf ears at headquarters," a Secret Service agent told Kessler. "Headquarters' mentality has always been, 'You can complete the mission with what you have. You're a U.S.S.S. agent'."



    Mr Biden's constant travel, including back to his home state of Delaware-the burden has meant that all agents on his team have ceased training. According to Kessler, however, they fill in forms stating they have "taken and passed all tests, when they have not, creating a dishonest culture".


    The Secret Service has increasingly cut corners after it was absorbed by the new Homeland Security Department under Mr Bush. Kessler said that when Mr Biden threw the first pitch at the first Baltimore Orioles game of the 2009 season, the Secret Service did not screen any of the more than 40,000 fans, stunning his agents and the local Secret Service field office.

    Well this doesn't sound good. It's a bit harder to recruit for the Secret Service than it would be for the Army.... but why not just have the Army do the secuirity too? A couple of armed Marines with Rifles will do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Well this doesn't sound good. It's a bit harder to recruit for the Secret Service than it would be for the Army.... but why not just have the Army do the secuirity too? A couple of armed Marines with Rifles will do the trick.
    Those Marines have to be screened too. Otherwise it would be easy for one of them to turn his rifle to the President.

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    What if those marines with rifles dont like black presidents?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    What if those marines with rifles dont like black socialist presidents?
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    It's still easier to screen Marines... then double the numbers of the Secret Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    It's still easier to screen Marines... then double the numbers of the Secret Service.
    I would protect Obama for free. But i would probably start to develop feelings for his wife. I'm sure i've seen a movie like that recently.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    I would protect Obama for free. But i would probably start to develop feelings for his wife. I'm sure i've seen a movie like that recently.
    Yeah it was Aliens vs President 3. Mark Wahlberg played the bodyguard and Gary Oldman the Xenomorph and the President's wife. Loved the twist ending; hope I didn't spoil it for anyone.

    Anyway having a President who is a socialist (by american standards so not really at all) and black must be hard for Neo-Nazi groups and the like. I bet they have to watch the TV with the brightness turned all the way up to make themselves feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Well this doesn't sound good. It's a bit harder to recruit for the Secret Service than it would be for the Army.... but why not just have the Army do the secuirity too? A couple of armed Marines with Rifles will do the trick.
    That is two entirely different entities. You couldn't possibly train Marines for "guard duty" of an individual and still have them as your first strike branch of the armed forces. Thier job is war not protection. I would add that any of these crazy nutjobs that think assasinaton is the answer, are looking for anarchy and chaos, because that is the only thing that would happen. The racial riots in the 60's were nothing compared to what would happen as a ripple effect, if these racists got thier way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    I would protect Obama for free. But i would probably start to develop feelings for his wife. I'm sure i've seen a movie like that recently.
    ...and you could put lipstick on a pig, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    That is two entirely different entities. You couldn't possibly train Marines for "guard duty" of an individual and still have them as your first strike branch of the armed forces. Thier job is war not protection.
    You mean the same Marines who guard the White house and every US embassy in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    You mean the same Marines who guard the White house and every US embassy in the world?
    Nice try with the semantics. Completly different. Guarding a position not a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    That is two entirely different entities. You couldn't possibly train Marines for "guard duty" of an individual and still have them as your first strike branch of the armed forces. Thier job is war not protection.
    Then I guess the US military is impaired because even the Danish Royal Guard has a Household Guard Company and a combat battalion. Just like many other nations are capable of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    It's still easier to screen Marines... then double the numbers of the Secret Service.
    I'd say get more agents. Posting regular army soldiers at such events could, I think, give the wrong impression. I mean, just imagine what you would think if a large city like New York had downtown swarming with troops just because of the President visiting. It would look like a scene from some South American dictatorship and not a democracy.

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    Default Re: Threats against Obama up 400%, Secret Service stretched and Dept. Homeland Secuirity cutting corners

    I hope wannabee Oswalds don't think they're patriots, because assassinating a President is the least patriotic thing you can do...yes, even if the President sucks IMHO...

    Anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8
    It's still easier to screen Marines... then double the numbers of the Secret Service.
    More agents, not troops, are what's needed. Having hundreds of soldiers guard the POTUS = epic PR fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    I'd say get more agents. Posting regular army soldiers at such events could, I think, give the wrong impression. I mean, just imagine what you would think if a large city like New York had downtown swarming with troops just because of the President visiting. It would look like a scene from some South American dictatorship and not a democracy.
    I can't even begin to imagine how the New York news would spin this. Then again they are so far up Obama's butt that may not even say a word.

    Marines would do the job easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    I'd say get more agents. Posting regular army soldiers at such events could, I think, give the wrong impression. I mean, just imagine what you would think if a large city like New York had downtown swarming with troops just because of the President visiting. It would look like a scene from some South American dictatorship and not a democracy.
    That's my point. For the sake of image, spin and semantics... a serious problem is left unresolved.

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    Is it me or are these secret service codenames really dumb...


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    The US needs another civil war. Otherwise I don't see how African-Americans can overcome the inequality. Blacks need a separate state in America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    That's my point. For the sake of image, spin and semantics... a serious problem is left unresolved.
    Yes, totally agree, nut that is the price that we must pay. It's a risk yes, and that's we the Secret Service should of course recieve more funds so they can do their job probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    That's my point. For the sake of image, spin and semantics... a serious problem is left unresolved.
    Silly fellows. We already do VIP protection, and we wear suits and carry weapons concealed just like an Agent. For instance, the joint chiefs all have bodyguards and they are all suit clad US military. C'mon, you think it's so much of a stretch for US military to do something out of a uniform. The government even paid for four of my suits.

    USMC has something called Yankee White. Yankee White Marines are at the White House and protect Camp David. There is also two Marine platoons on standby to act as a QRF to aide the President. Think like the scene in Sum of All Fears when the CH-53s landed and the Marines evacuated the President. That is real.

    Anyways, Yankee White gets overly screened. Mainly because they want golden boys that won't get in trouble vice worried about doing something against the President. For instance, I can qualify for a clearance, but not Yankee White because I was in trouble with the law when I was a teenager. They've disqualifed people for yankee white just cause of parking tickets. If they wanted they could have plenty of Marines protecting the President, and he would probably be safer than he is with the Secret Service or anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Silly fellows. We already do VIP protection, and we wear suits and carry weapons concealed just like an Agent. For instance, the joint chiefs all have bodyguards and they are all suit clad US military. C'mon, you think it's so much of a stretch for US military to do something out of a uniform. The government even paid for four of my suits.

    USMC has something called Yankee White. Yankee White Marines are at the White House and protect Camp David. There is also two Marine platoons on standby to act as a QRF to aide the President. Think like the scene in Sum of All Fears when the CH-53s landed and the Marines evacuated the President. That is real.

    Anyways, Yankee White gets overly screened. Mainly because they want golden boys that won't get in trouble vice worried about doing something against the President. For instance, I can qualify for a clearance, but not Yankee White because I was in trouble with the law when I was a teenager. They've disqualifed people for yankee white just cause of parking tickets. If they wanted they could have plenty of Marines protecting the President, and he would probably be safer than he is with the Secret Service or anyone else.
    Thanks for that, that is what I was trying to communicate, but I didn;t have the full facts and experience that you do.

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